Ok just installed package 'ntb' going down for reboot confirmed on apt --- ii ntp 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1 amd64 Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs ii ntpdate 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1 amd64 client for setting system time from NTP servers thank you, See yas in a minute' I hope. ☺ From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:12:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time. paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo dpkg -l | grep ntp [sudo] password for paul: ii ntpdate 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1 amd64 client for setting system time from NTP servers paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ You think I should install ntp as well? Thank you for your help. Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:08:23 -0600 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time. "ntpdate" is a commandline tool. "ntp" is actually the daemon that'll keep it synced. If you want to run ntpdate manually every now and again (or upon reboot) that's fine, too, but "ntp" is better for systems that are up most the time. You have ntpdate installed (according to your output) but not ntp. In fact, ntpdate might be adjusting your time after reboot, making it different (and more correct!) than your hardware BIOS clock. Also: # dpkg -l | grep ntp will save you from searching through the list. On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote: > Mint 17 just had an update last week with 'ntp' 'ntpdate' I can show you > dpkg -- installed ? > > dpkg -l | less > > ii ntpdate > 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1 amd64 client for > setting system time from NTP servers > > its installed. > thank you your suggestions? Emoji > > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:54:32 -0600 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at > the same time. > > NTP, or Network time Protocol, is used to automatically syncronise time > across various machines. It basically uses a semi-distributed model to get > time from trusted sources. Your BIOS clock isn't an accurate timekeeping > device, anyway, so why trust it. > > # apt-get install ntp ntpdate > > Will install init files to do it all for you. > > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote: > > > NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me? > > Emoji > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at > > the same time. > > > > Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't > > this exactly what NTP is for? > > > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote: > > > > > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set > th > > e > > > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in > > > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bio > s > > > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right > t > > o > > > proper UTC time. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > __ > > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600 > > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set a > t > > > the same time. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the > > > following command if you were trying to set a system clock to > > > tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian? > > > > > > hwclock --hctosys > > > > > > > > > Why do you want another command? > > > > > > I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I > > > were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ > > > /etc/default/rcS > > > > > > it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about > > > updates that could have locked the machine up at > > > sometime/somepoint. > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure why you think that. > > > > > > > > > Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji > > > > > > > > > I don't understand the question. > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > __ > > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600 > > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse > > > to set at the same time. > > > > > > Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed > > > at all. > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios > > > clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output? > > > > > > I did not even need to use 'sed' yet. > > > > > > cool. > > > > > > Am I right about this? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > __ > > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600 > > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock > > > refuse to set at the same time. > > > > > > Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is > > > one of them. > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > The error I expected was an output via --> > > > paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc > > > > > > once entered into the terminal as following: > > > > > > paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc > > > paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ > > > > > > was the entire output of the command. I guess if you > > > put it that way though it would be like the good > > > working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs. > > > 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just > > > don't ask. > > > > > > I'm waiting for your help. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > __ > > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600 > > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC > > > clock refuse to set at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g > > > <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Helps alot! > > > > > > paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock > > > Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST > > > -0.078578 seconds > > > paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ > > > > > > paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock > > > Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST > > > -0.051555 seconds > > > > > > paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock > > > --systohc > > > paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ > > > > > > obviously ^ fails with the --systohc > > > extension. > > > > > > > > > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error. > > > > > > > > > <--why? <--every time I go into bios and > > > change the time via biox I get an incorrect > > > time on desktop. I am going to be looking into > > > this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I > > > thank you for your time and your help. > > > > > > > > > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a > > > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > Emoji - paul g > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > __ > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600 > > > From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux > > > UTC clock refuse to set at the same time. > > > > > > Paul, > > > To set the system clock to the hardware clock > > > hwclock --hctosys > > > Other way around: > > > hwclock --systohc > > > You should be able to check the hardware clock > > > by issuing: > > > hwclock > > > That will give you an idea of how far off the > > > hardware clock is. If it is skewed far > > > enough, you will probably want to go in to the > > > bios on a reboot and update it. If it does > > > not stick past power outages, you might want > > > to replace the cmos battery on the > > > motherboard. > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST > > > from "paul g" > > > <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject: > > > Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and > > > Linux UTC clock refuse to set at > > > the same time. > > > The question is 'how can I set the hardware > > > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'. > > > > > > My apologies. > > > > > > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb > > > stuff' meant alot. > > > > > > paul g > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Chapin > > > President, CedarLug, retired > > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > > > President, UNI Scuba Club > > > Senator, NISG, retired > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG > > > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Chapin > > > President, CedarLug, retired > > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > > > President, UNI Scuba Club > > > Senator, NISG, retired > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing > > > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Chapin > > > President, CedarLug, retired > > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > > > President, UNI Scuba Club > > > Senator, NISG, retired > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Chapin > > > President, CedarLug, retired > > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > > > President, UNI Scuba Club > > > Senator, NISG, retired > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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