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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Ok just installed package 'ntb' going down for reboot confirmed on apt --- <br><br>ii ntp 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1 amd64 Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs<br>ii ntpdate 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1 amd64 client for setting system time from NTP servers<br><br>thank you, See yas in a minute' I hope. <img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_0263A.png" alt="Emoji" class="Emoji$0263A$AAE RenderedEmoji"><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: pj.world@hotmail.com<br>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:12:11 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr">paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo dpkg -l | grep ntp<br>[sudo] password for paul: <br>ii ntpdate 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1 amd64 client for setting system time from NTP servers<br>paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ <br><br><br>You think I should install ntp as well?<br><br>Thank you for your help.<img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_0263A.png" alt="Emoji" class="ecxEmoji$0263A$AAE ecxRenderedEmoji"><br><br><div>Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:08:23 -0600<br>From: tclug@freakzilla.com<br>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.<br><br><pre>"ntpdate" is a commandline tool.<br> <br>"ntp" is actually the daemon that'll keep it synced. If you want to run <br>ntpdate manually every now and again (or upon reboot) that's fine, too, <br>but "ntp" is better for systems that are up most the time.<br> <br>You have ntpdate installed (according to your output) but not ntp.<br> <br>In fact, ntpdate might be adjusting your time after reboot, making it <br>different (and more correct!) than your hardware BIOS clock.<br> <br> <br> <br>Also:<br> <br># dpkg -l | grep ntp<br> <br>will save you from searching through the list.<br> <br> <br> <br>On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:<br> <br>> Mint 17 just had an update last week with 'ntp' 'ntpdate' I can show you<br>> dpkg -- installed ?<br>> <br>> dpkg -l | less<br>> <br>> ii ntpdate <br>> 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1 amd64 client for<br>> setting system time from NTP servers<br>> <br>> its installed.<br>> thank you your suggestions? Emoji<br>> <br>> <br>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:54:32 -0600<br>> From: tclug@freakzilla.com<br>> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at<br>> the same time.<br>> <br>> NTP, or Network time Protocol, is used to automatically syncronise time <br>> across various machines. It basically uses a semi-distributed model to get <br>> time from trusted sources. Your BIOS clock isn't an accurate timekeeping <br>> device, anyway, so why trust it.<br>> <br>> # apt-get install ntp ntpdate<br>> <br>> Will install init files to do it all for you.<br>><br>> <br>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:<br>> <br>> > NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me?<br>> > Emoji<br>> > <br>> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600<br>> > From: tclug@freakzilla.com<br>> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at<br>> > the same time.<br>> > <br>> > Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't <br>> > this exactly what NTP is for?<br>> > <br>> > On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:<br>> > <br>> > > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set <br>> th<br>> > e<br>> > > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in<br>> > > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bio<br>> s<br>> > > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right<br>> t<br>> > o<br>> > > proper UTC time.<br>> > > <br>> > > Thanks.<br>> > > <br>> > > ________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > __<br>> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600<br>> > > From: chapinjeff@gmail.com<br>> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set a<br>> t<br>> > > the same time.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> > > Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the<br>> > > following command if you were trying to set a system clock to<br>> > > tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?<br>> > ><br>> > > hwclock --hctosys<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > Why do you want another command?<br>> > > <br>> > > I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I<br>> > > were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/<br>> > > /etc/default/rcS<br>> > ><br>> > > it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about<br>> > > updates that could have locked the machine up at<br>> > > sometime/somepoint.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > I'm not sure why you think that.<br>> > > <br>> > ><br>> > > Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > I don't understand the question.<br>> > > <br>> > ><br>> > > Thank you,<br>> > > <br>> > > ________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > __<br>> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600<br>> > > From: chapinjeff@gmail.com<br>> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse<br>> > > to set at the same time.<br>> > ><br>> > > Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed<br>> > > at all.<br>> > > <br>> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> > > The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios<br>> > > clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?<br>> > ><br>> > > I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.<br>> > ><br>> > > cool.<br>> > ><br>> > > Am I right about this?<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > ________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > __<br>> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600<br>> > > From: chapinjeff@gmail.com<br>> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock<br>> > > refuse to set at the same time.<br>> > ><br>> > > Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is<br>> > > one of them.<br>> > > <br>> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world@hotmail.com><br>> > > wrote:<br>> > > The error I expected was an output via --><br>> > > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc<br>> > ><br>> > > once entered into the terminal as following:<br>> > ><br>> > > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc<br>> > > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $<br>> > ><br>> > > was the entire output of the command. I guess if you<br>> > > put it that way though it would be like the good<br>> > > working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.<br>> > > 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just<br>> > > don't ask.<br>> > ><br>> > > I'm waiting for your help.<br>> > ><br>> > > Thank you.<br>> > > <br>> > > ________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > __<br>> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600<br>> > > From: chapinjeff@gmail.com<br>> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC<br>> > > clock refuse to set at the same time.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > ><br>> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g<br>> > > <pj.world@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> > > Helps alot!<br>> > ><br>> > > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock<br>> > > Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST <br>> > > -0.078578 seconds<br>> > > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $<br>> > ><br>> > > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock<br>> > > Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST <br>> > > -0.051555 seconds<br>> > ><br>> > > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock<br>> > > --systohc<br>> > > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $<br>> > ><br>> > > obviously ^ fails with the --systohc<br>> > > extension.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <--why? <--every time I go into bios and<br>> > > change the time via biox I get an incorrect<br>> > > time on desktop. I am going to be looking into<br>> > > this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I<br>> > > thank you for your time and your help.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a<br>> > > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > Emoji - paul g<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > ________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > __<br>> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>> > > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600<br>> > > From: kelly.black@penguinpackets.com<br>> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux<br>> > > UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.<br>> > ><br>> > > Paul,<br>> > > To set the system clock to the hardware clock<br>> > > hwclock --hctosys<br>> > > Other way around:<br>> > > hwclock --systohc<br>> > > You should be able to check the hardware clock<br>> > > by issuing:<br>> > > hwclock<br>> > > That will give you an idea of how far off the<br>> > > hardware clock is. If it is skewed far<br>> > > enough, you will probably want to go in to the<br>> > > bios on a reboot and update it. If it does<br>> > > not stick past power outages, you might want<br>> > > to replace the cmos battery on the<br>> > > motherboard.<br>> > > Hope that helps.<br>> > > <br>> > > Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST<br>> > > from "paul g"<br>> > > <pj.world@hotmail.com> Subject:<br>> > > Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and<br>> > > Linux UTC clock refuse to set at<br>> > > the same time.<br>> > > The question is 'how can I set the hardware<br>> > > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.<br>> > > <br>> > > My apologies.<br>> > > <br>> > > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb<br>> > > stuff' meant alot.<br>> > > <br>> > > paul g<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>> > > <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> > > <br>> > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > TCLUG Mailing List - 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