<div dir="ltr"><div>totally. good points. agrees with my experience. i happily help folks that are interested in linux, but i rarely find myself convincing someone to be interested in linux.</div><div><br></div><div>i've tried several distros, and on my desktop i keep returning to lubuntu as the best compromise, quite lightweight, things mostly just work, and the ubuntu repos have a true wealth of stuff. i often even find myself using the lxde or lxqt ui, usually just to see if some odd behavior i'm encountering is different there. but you've struck a bullseye into the top reason i use...twm. what the heck here's my whole list of reasons:<br><div><ul><li>tiny footprint (swaps in right away even under heavy thrashing),</li><li>keyboard focus not stolen when windows or <span class="gmail-Lm gmail-ng">popups</span> appear (doesn't anybody else ever type? boggles my mind this feature is rarely found elsewhere. i can't stand <span class="gmail-Lm gmail-ng">popups</span> getting dismissed by what i was typing before i even got to see them!),</li><li>can
place active window icons anywhere on the desktop (usually i slide them
mostly off an edge where they occupy no space and are easy to click)<br></li><li>no <span class="gmail-LI gmail-ng">superfluous</span> taskbars wasting precious space,</li><li>trim
titlebars (not very tall and not the whole window width, i even ditch
the titlebar buttons & configure the functionality into mouse
or keyboard actions anywhere on the <span class="gmail-LI gmail-ng">titlebar</span> or window),</li><li>can slide a window so parts of it are off screen in any direction and then stretch it to fill the screen with the part i want to see,<br></li><li>vert zoom, horiz zoom, left zoom, right zoom, top zoom, bottom zoom, full zoom,</li><li>keystroke & <span class="gmail-Lm gmail-ng">mouseclick</span> actions all configurable (ugly by default, but reasonable with a modest twmrc),</li><li>i have bouts where i go trying the others, but after all these decades twm's features still have not been usurped.</li></ul></div></div><div></div><div>i'll happily share my twmrc with anyone interested.</div><div><br></div><div>and there's a fair bit more to making myself happy with lubuntu, eg purging various packages that launch forever running daemons i have no use for.<br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 1:49 PM Haudy Kazemi <<a href="mailto:kaze0010@umn.edu">kaze0010@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Hello,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am splitting this topic off from the other thread, hoping that someone has a solution or recommendations.</div><div dir="auto"><br>My experience with Android and Windows is they both do a very good job in dealing with processes that become very memory or CPU hungry. The systems tend to stay responsive (may lag slightly, but usable), and recoverable (task managers can still be brought up), even under extreme memory and CPU pressure.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have yet to find a desktop Linux distro that can do nearly as well. Chrome and Firefox both easily get into 100% CPU usage and high memory usage situations on desktop Linux, resulting in nonresponsive systems, that I don't experience on Android or Windows. These situations are easy enough to hit that even novice users can experience them with only a handful of open tabs, depending on the sites open. (On the exact same hardware, Windows can run the same browser with the same or even more tabs and survive). With these problems, I find it hard to recommend Linux as a general purpose desktop OS to others or even use it as my own desktop as my daily driver. Linux seems to do okay when the upper bounds of the loads are well-defined and easily fit within the available resources.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Does anyone know of a distro that does as good as a job at maintaining resource control and desktop responsiveness under heavy load as Android or Windows? I would love to hear about it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-hk</div><div dir="auto"><br></div>P.S. a relevant article, "Yes, Linux Does Bad In Low RAM / Memory Pressure Situations On The Desktop"<div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Does-Bad-Low-RAM" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Does-Bad-Low-RAM</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">P.P.S. It appears that Android uses pressure stall information (PSI) to mitigate these problems per post <a href="https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/1118164-yes-linux-does-bad-in-low-ram-memory-pressure-situations-on-the-desktop?p=1118174#post1118174" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/1118164-yes-linux-does-bad-in-low-ram-memory-pressure-situations-on-the-desktop?p=1118174#post1118174</a></div></div></blockquote></div></div>