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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=272572122-21102016><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=4>Good suggestion! Traceroute or one of its relatives
sometimes identifies equipment also.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Wayne Johnson [mailto:wdtj@yahoo.com]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 21, 2016 5:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Chuck Cole;
'TCLUG Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tclug-list] Need basic internet
access info for a large facility<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6145>Another tool you can use is
traceroute (or tracert on Windows). Works like ping but walks through
the route and gives response times at each step. Example:</DIV>
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6182
dir=ltr>C:\Users\C9915437\Dev\trunk\yukon-server>tracert 10.106.43.16<BR
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6207><BR
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6208>Tracing route to 10.106.43.16 over a
maximum of 30 hops<BR id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6209><BR
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6210> 1 <1
ms 6 ms 9 ms
10.106.38.2<BR id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6211>
2 <1 ms <1 ms
<1 ms 10.106.39.101<BR id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6212>
3 <1 ms <1 ms
<1 ms 10.106.43.16</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Here I pinged a device in out test network (different
subnet). It showed we went to my local gateway, to the test network
gateway, and then to the end device. You might try this with yahoo.com
to see what is happening on the way to the internet.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_5977><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">--- </SPAN><BR style="FONT-FAMILY: courier"><SPAN
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_5983 style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">Wayne
Johnson,
| <SPAN id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6092
style="COLOR: rgb(191,95,0)">There are two kinds of people: Those</SPAN>
</SPAN><BR style="FONT-FAMILY: courier"><SPAN
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6091 style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">
| <SPAN
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6090 style="COLOR: rgb(191,95,0)">who say
to God, "Thy will be done," </SPAN></SPAN><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: courier"><SPAN id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_5984
style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">
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id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6089 style="COLOR: rgb(191,95,0)">and those
to whom God says, "All right, </SPAN></SPAN><BR
style="FONT-FAMILY: courier"><SPAN id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_5986
style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">
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id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6088 style="COLOR: rgb(191,95,0)">then,
have it your way." --C.S. Lewis</SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Chuck Cole
<cncole@earthlink.net><BR><B
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6287><SPAN
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6286
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'Wayne Johnson'
<wdtj@yahoo.com>; 'TCLUG Mailing List' <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
<BR><B id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6289><SPAN
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6288
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, October 21, 2016 5:08
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [tclug-list]
Need basic internet access info for a large facility<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=yiv8810108493960185721-21102016><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Thanks Wayne!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=yiv8810108493960185721-21102016><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6064 dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493960185721-21102016
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6063><FONT
id=yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477087535068_6062 face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Signal
strength isn't bad. They have 3 access points that seem to be
distributed around the large building for each of the 3 wifi SSIDs.
At least one of the 3 for each SSID is usually plenty good. I have good
wifi utilities in both Android and PC, but I haven't written down the actual
signal strength numbers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=yiv8810108493960185721-21102016><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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class=yiv8810108493960185721-21102016><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=4>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR clear=none>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Wayne
Johnson<BR clear=none><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 21, 2016 3:58 PM<BR
clear=none><B>To:</B> TCLUG Mailing List<BR clear=none><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[tclug-list] Need basic internet access info for a large facility<BR
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<DIV id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4797>Not an expert
here, but first question I would ask is what is the signal strength?
I've seen facilities like these that have cinderblock walls separating each
apartment. Cinder block is not friendly to wi-fi. USI has the
same problem in Minneapolis with their community wifi. It doesn't go
through stucco real well. 1-2 bars is not adequate for a decent wi-fi
connection in my experience. <BR clear=none></DIV>
<DIV id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4809><BR
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<DIV id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4784><SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4919>There are some nice
tools for Android that can scan and graph wi-fi signal strengths.
WifiAnalizer from VREM Software works well with me.</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">--- </SPAN><BR style="FONT-FAMILY: courier"
clear=none><SPAN id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4782
style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">Wayne
Johnson,
| <SPAN id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4781
style="COLOR: rgb(191,95,0)">There are two kinds of people: Those</SPAN>
</SPAN><BR style="FONT-FAMILY: courier" clear=none><SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4780
style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">
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<SPAN id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4779
style="COLOR: rgb(191,95,0)">who say to God, "Thy will be done,"
</SPAN></SPAN><BR style="FONT-FAMILY: courier" clear=none><SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4778
style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">
| <SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4777
style="COLOR: rgb(191,95,0)">and those to whom God says, "All right,
</SPAN></SPAN><BR style="FONT-FAMILY: courier" clear=none><SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4760
style="FONT-FAMILY: courier">
| <SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4759
style="COLOR: rgb(191,95,0)">then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis</SPAN><BR
clear=none></SPAN></DIV>
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<B id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4982><SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4981
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Chuck Cole
<cncole@earthlink.net><BR clear=none><B
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4980><SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4979
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'TCLUG Mailing List'
<tclug-list@mn-linux.org> <BR clear=none><B
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4978><SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4977
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, October 21, 2016 3:31
PM<BR clear=none><B
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4976><SPAN
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4975
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [tclug-list] Need basic
internet access info for a large facility<BR clear=none></DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4973 dir=ltr
align=left><FONT id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4972
face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4971>Need wifi setup or
management parameter help..</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4974><FONT face=Arial
size=4><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4698><FONT
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4697 size=4><FONT
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4696 face=Arial><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4695>Some blind folk at
Cherrywood Pointe <SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016> (senior
living) </SPAN>in Savage have tech support from MN Services for the
Blind for Dragon (and related) screen reading software which needs
internet to function properly. <SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4983> Cherrywood is an
Ebenezer managed facility with about 70 "independent living" residents
who are cabalbe and typically affluent (rent is quite high). Wifi is
included in rent. </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4702>The wifi
connection is erratic, and at such low speed that the software doesn't
work. I'm trying to help identify the problems<SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016> so thet can be fixed</SPAN>.<SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4701> "Bandaids"
used before have not worked. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4710><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4709><FONT
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4708 size=4><FONT
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4707 face=Arial><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016> What is a typical </SPAN>building
setup? My info is only approximate now. Centurylink has a "big"
fiber-optic feed to the equipment room. Cherrywood/Ebenezer equipment
in the "communications room" converts to wire distribution. There is a
"building router" that has multiple "CAT5" feeds that support offices and 3
pairs of access points that distribute wifi<SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016> in the
facility </SPAN>.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4714><FONT
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4713 face=Arial size=4><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016
id=yiv8810108493yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477082852658_4712>All I need to know is
basic bandwidth and connection info: I do not need to know anything private,
and do not seek any actual admin access.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016>What
is <SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016> a</SPAN> likely building
router make and model?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016>What
is <SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016> a</SPAN> likely wifi access
point make and model?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016>Are there
typical bandwidth or speed restrictions affecting residents and
guests?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016>The
connection speed of the 802.11g<SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016>/n </SPAN> links is usually only 11MHz,
and <SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016> only</SPAN><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016> once in a
while </SPAN>54MHz.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016>The internet
speed is usually only about 1.5 mb/sec, <SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016> and </SPAN>occasionally 3<SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016> mb/sec </SPAN> or
so.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016><FONT size=4><FONT face=Arial>Those
numbers seem far below a typical "wifi hotspot" connection.<SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016> I've never experienced such bad
connections as these. What does a typical hotspot like a Dunn
Bros coffee shop offer?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016>Please
assist as you can.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN
class=yiv8810108493-21102016></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN class=yiv8810108493-21102016>Chuck
Cole</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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