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<p>One of my friends is an investor in oculus rift. You can buy the
dev kit for like $300 if i remember right..<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/23/16 4:52 PM, Sandwhich Eyes
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">oculus rift reminds me of an article i read in mid
2000's about augmented reality and how they were working on
overlays for the various things you would want to know about
something like a building. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM,
Sandwhich Eyes <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">oh, and thank you for your kind words about
my parenting and my in site. that is uplifting. and true,
ayyyyyyy</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47
PM, Sandwhich Eyes <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div> i am a stay at home father. my wife went
to Le Cordon Bleu for college. when I had a
medical break in my career, she took over and
i never looked back. </div>
<div> we do have a garden and "we grow our own
money" as i have heard said in some random TED
Talk. also interested in this TED Talk about
microbes: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en"
target="_blank">https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa<wbr>_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_<wbr>technology_could_change_how_<wbr>we_grow_food?language=en</a>
but have yet to indulge myself.</div>
<div> i would like to do something positive
for people, to make a difference with my time,
not only for me but for others. I used to be a
part of Rotary International for years. I like
to give. I feel as though with the time on my
hands i can do something for me while showing
my kids what can be accomplished. should i
fall short of this goal, i will have raised my
4 children to be aware that they can do things
that make life fair for all people. </div>
<div> and to further wander off topic my long
term personal goal is to get land and a wind
generator made from scratch, then have it make
me money with our average 12 mph wind speed.
then build more. but that is for me to make
money, not to feel good about myself. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 23,
2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson <span
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Besides
being a good mother, you value learning,
community, and even Linux. Wow, that's a
plate full!<br>
<br>
Staying off Linux topic here to avoid
expert rebukes, may I suggest other
opportunity in your young family's
future. Having mentioned the new
atmospheric CO2 levels can grow plants
faster, we also can improve soil quality
with new carbon. Even the oil and coal
industry is looking at black dirt as the
only remedy for climate change issues
seen related to CO2 emissions. It is
called carbon sequestration. In our
experience, we get phenomenal
improvement in gardens with black dirt
added. Nothing a little child loves
better than eating a homegrown
strawberry. I hope you can enjoy such
creative gifts with your family.<br>
<br>
Seeing creative opportunity in Linux,
community, arts, lifestyle, and a
hopeful future sure beats competing for
top barking dog status. As SuSE Linux
says after installation, "Have a lot of
fun." Life is too damn short.<br>
<br>
Sandwhich Eyes wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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i have spent many hours reading as
much as i can handle from the ideas
in these responses. i am barely
beyond the last point that i has
mentioned the wireless mesh stuff. i
am in research heaven. my overactive
brain is just loving all the angles
that you are offering me to
consider! we, 4 kids under 8 and me,
have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino
uno. a small arsenal of parts i am
accumulating. they get direction in
the form of: consider what this
really is, wood, metal, and plastic
make up parts, but what makes it do
what it is supposed to do and why
does it only do that? could it do
something else. can you put it
inside of a different enclosure and
have it do the same thing, something
different? I give them power tools
and scrap wood (someday when i have
more tools i will offer them other
materials). that gets their brains
moving and ideas come forth (got the
idea from a TED Talk). my 2 year old
counts the sockets and nails etc...
she can count to 26. was 2 in jan.
providing opportunities (much like
Linux provides unlimited options)
and directions for them to look,
never what they "should" see.<br>
I have so much to tell you all, but
i need to spend more time reading
through this 1 email at a time doing
research all the way. I am so
excited. whether the school provides
the kind of things i would like to
see or not, i am learning so much
and my children will be benefiting
from this speech from the way i am
able to understand and get through
to them; have to get them interested
to learn.<br>
<br>
Community! so many different people
from so many backgrounds with
varying interests come together with
a common interest; and it isn't
money!<br>
Thank you all! (but keep it
coming!)<br>
<br>
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On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM,
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Having separately suggested a
specific Linux software use to<br>
better understand cellulose
biofuels, for the sake of kids I
take<br>
issue with your assertion.<br>
<br>
We do know the global
population has doubled in the last
50 years.<br>
And we do know kids will face
shortages of food, water, energy,<br>
and housing in the next 50
years. Call it logic or arithmetic
or<br>
social planning. We also know
there are a lot of guns and bad<br>
attitudes that seem to be
getting worse.<br>
<br>
Luckily, my kids are grown,
college grads, some actually
employed<br>
in Silicon Valley. Scientists
from India are eager. Same ol,
same<br>
ol in Minnesota. Always a
smart way to do nothing.<br>
<br>
<br>
Linda Kateley wrote:<br>
<br>
So that's the reason I
pointed them to that mit
programming<br>
program ... Kids need to
understand logic, it is way to
teach<br>
programming logic without
language.. There used to be<br>
something similar back in
the day called bluejay which did<br>
something very similar but
got people more ready for objects<br>
and was intended for
college.<br>
<br>
Whatever we think it is
going to be like for them(my kids
are<br>
15), we are going to be
wrong. Something else will come.
Some<br>
new innovation. Logic to
me is the key to everything.<br>
Arduino's are cool and
already being used in most of the
robot<br>
clubs.. Languages will
change shift and move.. but if
they<br>
understand they have to
speak to the device in it's
language<br>
and build program's, I
think they will be alright. I
speak<br>
native solaris, but can
move between os's like shoes cause
I<br>
know how they work.<br>
<br>
Sorry for pontification.<br>
<br>
lk<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick
Engebretson wrote:<br>
<br>
Having done Biophysics
grad school in the late 1970s
-><br>
early 80s my first
effort was to push those new<br>
microcomputers and
even fiber optics. We had a
meeting in<br>
Lowertown, St. Paul
and by then I had an Epson QX10
and<br>
somehow managed to
draw a 3D peptide structure that<br>
calculated liquid
crystal electro-optic properties.
Old<br>
Biophysics Prof. Otto
Schmitt, whom I introduced as the<br>
"father of digital
electronics" by throwing out some
new<br>
Radio Shack Schmitt
trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did
this?"<br>
So the high point of
my career came and went, the
internet<br>
happened, everything
is microcontroller controlled,<br>
lightweight displays
are the norm, friends that tried
to<br>
automate factories
with pneumatic controls are broke,<br>
Lowertown is
beautiful, Communist China is the
world's<br>
biggest manufacturing
economy.<br>
<br>
I like SuSE Linux
because they always included
hundreds of<br>
programs. IBM data
explorer is worth learning before
I'm<br>
90. I learned there is
now a Protein Data Bank, advanced<br>
programs to use it,
and a nice XScreensaver to draw<br>
molecules. I like the
Arduino toys, and am surprised how<br>
they exploit the Unix
terminal connection. Most stuff I<br>
use is not in standard
distros, like FreePascal, but the<br>
"forms library," oddly
enough is in "Raspbian," the<br>
Raspberry Pie distro.
Etc.<br>
<br>
So when a couple of
school computer administrators get<br>
praise for just
wanting to hear about Linux, I
wonder how<br>
they will ever catch
up.<br>
<br>
r hayman wrote:<br>
<br>
Relevancy.<br>
To remain relevant
in many job fields, students must<br>
learn about open
source software and Linux. To
prepare<br>
our students and
our future work force to be
relevant<br>
when they enter
the work force, academia and the<br>
business world
need to be aligned and that
alignment,<br>
in many ways is
with open source software.<br>
<br>
Running open
source or COTS software is seldom
a<br>
business
differentiator today, it may only
be a<br>
(negative)
differentiator based on licensing
and<br>
support costs.<br>
<br>
Pharmaceutical
research, weather forecasting,
climate<br>
and environment
research, simulations of all
types,<br>
manufacturing,
design, you name it, it
predominantly<br>
runs on Linux and
open source.<br>
<br>
For example, visit<br>
<a
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href="https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.top500.org/statist<wbr>ics/list/</a><br>
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rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.top500.org/statis<wbr>tics/list/</a>>
and filter<br>
on TOP500 Release:
June 2016; then Category(ies):<br>
Operating System,
Application Area, and Segments.<br>
<br>
You will find that
of the top 500 supercomputer sites<br>
in the world, not
a single one runs either Windows
or<br>
Mac OS X. Only 16
- just a hair over 3%, run
something<br>
other than some
obvious distribution of Linux.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, 2016-08-22
at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson
wrote:<br>
<br>
When my kids
were in High School I tried
working<br>
with our
school<br>
district
(Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to
get<br>
programming
taught,<br>
somewhere. The
school used all Macs but had at<br>
least one
MSWindows 95 in<br>
some kind of
lab. On a day they canceled school<br>
because of an
ice storm<br>
I called and
they said I could install the
QBasic<br>
from Windows,
along<br>
with program
examples galore. So I left my kids<br>
home and drove
to town<br>
and installed
it all. I later went to school
board<br>
meetings and
they<br>
fought me
until my kids all graduated.
"Political"<br>
is an
understatement.<br>
<br>
I use Linux
because I can program it. I don't
know<br>
how kids can
make it<br>
in the future
without knowing electronics and<br>
programming.
It seems they<br>
are trying to
cripple kids with sports, and
retard<br>
them
intellectually.<br>
It sure wasn't
that way in the 1960s.<br>
<br>
Linda Kateley
wrote:<br>
<br>
I started
working with my school district<br>
about 10
years ago. The problems I find
there<br>
are always
political and never about<br>
technology. What worked for me is
to find one<br>
champion
in the system that speaks the<br>
administrations language. I found
there were a<br>
ton of
people who wanted to know, just
not at<br>
the top. I
introduced scratch to the<br>
elementary
STEM school about 5 years ago,<br>
<a
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href="https://scratch.mit.edu/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://scratch.mit.edu/</a>.
It was the districts<br>
first
involvement with opensource or<br>
community.
The project has been very very<br>
successful
and it opened the doors to more.<br>
But then
they hired a new superintendent
that<br>
thought it
was stupid so..that happened ;(<br>
linda On
8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes
wrote:<br>
<br>
I have
already given one presentation at<br>
the
Blair Taylor School with the
principal<br>
and an
IT guy and have been asked to give<br>
a
follow up talk to them and the
head of<br>
the IT
department. They had macbook air<br>
for
the older kids and ipads for the<br>
younger ones. They bring these
home at the<br>
end of
the school day. This time they<br>
decided to go with cromebooks. It
one of<br>
the
best.. rated or testing, can't
think<br>
of an
appropriate word, but with the<br>
quality of the teachers out here i
am<br>
pretty
sure they could give my kids
sticks<br>
and a
box of sand and they would still
be<br>
well
prepared for life on their<br>
own/college. I am 100% positive
they will<br>
be
much better off if they can learn<br>
without restrictions from open
source<br>
hardware, software, classes (like
MIT<br>
offers
open courseware) and the ability
to<br>
choose, to not be scolded for
breaking<br>
some
license agreement or for reading
and<br>
modifying code should that be an
interest.<br>
I want
them to have Linux. I have gave a<br>
compelling argument in the last
meeting.<br>
This
time I want to have as many
resources<br>
available to provide for them,
including<br>
reasons why schools frequently
choose to<br>
not
use Linux. Anything will help. I
had<br>
quite
the presentation last time and the<br>
IT guy
didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4<br>
was;
or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems
Ubuntu<br>
provides computers reloaded with
Linux and<br>
tablets so how they didn't find
anything<br>
about
open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is<br>
beyond
me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS
on<br>
a
thumb drive. I wanted to make some
more<br>
and
use persistence to load up some<br>
information to give to the IT
people who<br>
are
possibly way under informed, to
give<br>
them
plenty of time on their own to
absorb<br>
what
open source has to offer; mostly<br>
community! They asked many
questions about<br>
community. Yes we work together
and keep<br>
our
favorite distributions alive often<br>
without corporate support!<br>
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