<div dir="ltr">I like this TED Talk about augmented reality, notably he mentions Microsoft Windows interface and laughs. They show neuroscience as the motivating factor behind the interface; which is interesting to me as my i have had a head injury that had left me blind for a day. took part of my memory too. so for me to sit and learn as much as possible is truly a privilege and an opportunity that i don't take lightly not to mention my ability to retain is greatly improved the more i study.<div><br><div><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/meron_gribetz_a_glimpse_of_the_future_through_an_augmented_reality_headset?language=en">https://www.ted.com/talks/meron_gribetz_a_glimpse_of_the_future_through_an_augmented_reality_headset?language=en</a><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sandwhicheyes@gmail.com" target="_blank">sandwhicheyes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I let my kids play mindcraft but that is it. i do have grand theft auto on an old windows partition that NEVER gets used, but someday we may loosen up on them. i personally would like to play sometimes myself, but it seems like it is hard to communicate with someone when they are playing a game, as opposed to surfing, watching tv, or reading a book; as when you are playing a game it is hard to even look up for a minute to acknowledge the person who is speaking. i would like to think that my kids and myself will someday be able to handle video games, just not yet.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Linda Kateley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lkateley@kateley.com" target="_blank">lkateley@kateley.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    <p>One of my friends is an investor in oculus rift. You can buy the
      dev kit for like $300 if i remember right..<br>
    </p><div><div>
    <br>
    <div>On 8/23/16 4:52 PM, Sandwhich Eyes
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">oculus rift reminds me of an article i read in mid
        2000's about augmented reality and how they were working on
        overlays for the various things you would want to know about
        something like a building. </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM,
          Sandwhich Eyes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sandwhicheyes@gmail.com" target="_blank">sandwhicheyes@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">oh, and thank you for your kind words about
              my parenting and my in site. that is uplifting.  and true,
              ayyyyyyy</div>
            <div>
              <div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47
                    PM, Sandwhich Eyes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sandwhicheyes@gmail.com" target="_blank">sandwhicheyes@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div dir="ltr">
                        <div>   i am a stay at home father. my wife went
                          to Le Cordon Bleu for college. when I had a
                          medical break in my career, she took over and
                          i never looked back. </div>
                        <div>   we do have a garden and "we grow our own
                          money" as i have heard said in some random TED
                          Talk. also interested in this TED Talk about
                          microbes: <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en" target="_blank">https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa<wbr>_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_t<wbr>echnology_could_change_how_we_<wbr>grow_food?language=en</a>
                          but have yet to indulge myself.</div>
                        <div>   i would like to do something positive
                          for people, to make a difference with my time,
                          not only for me but for others. I used to be a
                          part of Rotary International for years. I like
                          to give. I feel as though with the time on my
                          hands i can do something for me while showing
                          my kids what can be accomplished. should i
                          fall short of this goal, i will have raised my
                          4 children to be aware that they can do things
                          that make life fair for all people. </div>
                        <div>   and to further wander off topic my long
                          term personal goal is to get land and a wind
                          generator made from scratch, then have it make
                          me money with our average 12 mph wind speed.
                          then build more. but that is for me to make
                          money, not to feel good about myself. </div>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 23,
                              2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eng@pinenet.com" target="_blank">eng@pinenet.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Besides
                                being a good mother, you value learning,
                                community, and even Linux. Wow, that's a
                                plate full!<br>
                                <br>
                                Staying off Linux topic here to avoid
                                expert rebukes, may I suggest other
                                opportunity in your young family's
                                future. Having mentioned the new
                                atmospheric CO2 levels can grow plants
                                faster, we also can improve soil quality
                                with new carbon. Even the oil and coal
                                industry is looking at black dirt as the
                                only remedy for climate change issues
                                seen related to CO2 emissions. It is
                                called carbon sequestration. In our
                                experience, we get phenomenal
                                improvement in gardens with black dirt
                                added. Nothing a little child loves
                                better than eating a homegrown
                                strawberry. I hope you can enjoy such
                                creative gifts with your family.<br>
                                <br>
                                Seeing creative opportunity in Linux,
                                community, arts, lifestyle, and a
                                hopeful future sure beats competing for
                                top barking dog status. As SuSE Linux
                                says after installation, "Have a lot of
                                fun." Life is too damn short.<br>
                                <br>
                                Sandwhich Eyes wrote:<br>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>
                                    i have spent many hours reading as
                                    much as i can handle from the ideas
                                    in these responses. i am barely
                                    beyond the last point that i has
                                    mentioned the wireless mesh stuff. i
                                    am in research heaven. my overactive
                                    brain is just loving all the angles
                                    that you are offering me to
                                    consider! we, 4 kids under 8 and me,
                                    have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino
                                    uno. a small arsenal of parts i am
                                    accumulating. they get direction in
                                    the form of: consider what this
                                    really is, wood, metal, and plastic
                                    make up parts, but what makes it do
                                    what it is supposed to do and why
                                    does it only do that? could it do
                                    something else. can you put it
                                    inside of a different enclosure and
                                    have it do the same thing, something
                                    different? I give them power tools
                                    and scrap wood (someday when i have
                                    more tools i will offer them other
                                    materials). that gets their brains
                                    moving and ideas come forth (got the
                                    idea from a TED Talk). my 2 year old
                                    counts the sockets and nails etc...
                                    she can count to 26. was 2 in jan.
                                    providing opportunities (much like
                                    Linux provides unlimited options)
                                    and directions for them to look,
                                    never what they "should" see.<br>
                                    I have so much to tell you all, but
                                    i need to spend more time reading
                                    through this 1 email at a time doing
                                    research all the way. I am so
                                    excited. whether the school provides
                                    the kind of things i would like to
                                    see or not, i am learning so much
                                    and my children will be benefiting
                                    from this speech from the way i am
                                    able to understand and get through
                                    to them; have to get them interested
                                    to learn.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Community! so many different people
                                    from so many backgrounds with
                                    varying interests come together with
                                    a common interest; and it isn't
                                    money!<br>
                                    Thank you all!  (but keep it
                                    coming!)<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </span>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM,
                                      Rick Engebretson <<a href="mailto:eng@pinenet.com" target="_blank">eng@pinenet.com</a>
                                      <mailto:<a href="mailto:eng@pinenet.com" target="_blank">eng@pinenet.com</a>>>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                          Having separately suggested a
                                      specific Linux software use to<br>
                                          better understand cellulose
                                      biofuels, for the sake of kids I
                                      take<br>
                                          issue with your assertion.<br>
                                      <br>
                                          We do know the global
                                      population has doubled in the last
                                      50 years.<br>
                                          And we do know kids will face
                                      shortages of food, water, energy,<br>
                                          and housing in the next 50
                                      years. Call it logic or arithmetic
                                      or<br>
                                          social planning. We also know
                                      there are a lot of guns and bad<br>
                                          attitudes that seem to be
                                      getting worse.<br>
                                      <br>
                                          Luckily, my kids are grown,
                                      college grads, some actually
                                      employed<br>
                                          in Silicon Valley. Scientists
                                      from India are eager. Same ol,
                                      same<br>
                                          ol in Minnesota. Always a
                                      smart way to do nothing.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                          Linda Kateley wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                              So that's the reason I
                                      pointed them to that mit
                                      programming<br>
                                              program ... Kids need to
                                      understand logic, it is way to
                                      teach<br>
                                              programming logic without
                                      language.. There used to be<br>
                                              something similar back in
                                      the day called bluejay which did<br>
                                              something very similar but
                                      got people more ready for objects<br>
                                              and was intended for
                                      college.<br>
                                      <br>
                                              Whatever we think it is
                                      going to be like for them(my kids
                                      are<br>
                                              15), we are going to be
                                      wrong. Something else will come.
                                      Some<br>
                                              new innovation. Logic to
                                      me is the key to everything.<br>
                                              Arduino's are cool and
                                      already being used in most of the
                                      robot<br>
                                              clubs.. Languages will
                                      change shift and move.. but if
                                      they<br>
                                              understand they have to
                                      speak to the device in it's
                                      language<br>
                                              and build program's, I
                                      think they will be alright. I
                                      speak<br>
                                              native solaris, but can
                                      move between os's like shoes cause
                                      I<br>
                                              know how they work.<br>
                                      <br>
                                              Sorry for pontification.<br>
                                      <br>
                                              lk<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                              On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick
                                      Engebretson wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                                  Having done Biophysics
                                      grad school in the late 1970s
                                      -><br>
                                                  early 80s my first
                                      effort was to push those new<br>
                                                  microcomputers and
                                      even fiber optics. We had a
                                      meeting in<br>
                                                  Lowertown, St. Paul
                                      and by then I had an Epson QX10
                                      and<br>
                                                  somehow managed to
                                      draw a 3D peptide structure that<br>
                                                  calculated liquid
                                      crystal electro-optic properties.
                                      Old<br>
                                                  Biophysics Prof. Otto
                                      Schmitt, whom I introduced as the<br>
                                                  "father of digital
                                      electronics" by throwing out some
                                      new<br>
                                                  Radio Shack Schmitt
                                      trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did
                                      this?"<br>
                                                  So the high point of
                                      my career came and went, the
                                      internet<br>
                                                  happened, everything
                                      is microcontroller controlled,<br>
                                                  lightweight displays
                                      are the norm, friends that tried
                                      to<br>
                                                  automate factories
                                      with pneumatic controls are broke,<br>
                                                  Lowertown is
                                      beautiful, Communist China is the
                                      world's<br>
                                                  biggest manufacturing
                                      economy.<br>
                                      <br>
                                                  I like SuSE Linux
                                      because they always included
                                      hundreds of<br>
                                                  programs. IBM data
                                      explorer is worth learning before
                                      I'm<br>
                                                  90. I learned there is
                                      now a Protein Data Bank, advanced<br>
                                                  programs to use it,
                                      and a nice XScreensaver to draw<br>
                                                  molecules. I like the
                                      Arduino toys, and am surprised how<br>
                                                  they exploit the Unix
                                      terminal connection. Most stuff I<br>
                                                  use is not in standard
                                      distros, like FreePascal, but the<br>
                                                  "forms library," oddly
                                      enough is in "Raspbian," the<br>
                                                  Raspberry Pie distro.
                                      Etc.<br>
                                      <br>
                                                  So when a couple of
                                      school computer administrators get<br>
                                                  praise for just
                                      wanting to hear about Linux, I
                                      wonder how<br>
                                                  they will ever catch
                                      up.<br>
                                      <br>
                                                  r hayman wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                                      Relevancy.<br>
                                                      To remain relevant
                                      in many job fields, students must<br>
                                                      learn about open
                                      source software and Linux. To
                                      prepare<br>
                                                      our students and
                                      our future work force to be
                                      relevant<br>
                                                      when they enter
                                      the work force, academia and the<br>
                                                      business world
                                      need to be aligned and that
                                      alignment,<br>
                                                      in many ways is
                                      with open source software.<br>
                                      <br>
                                                      Running open
                                      source or COTS software is seldom
                                      a<br>
                                                      business
                                      differentiator today, it may only
                                      be a<br>
                                                      (negative)
                                      differentiator based on licensing
                                      and<br>
                                                      support costs.<br>
                                      <br>
                                                      Pharmaceutical
                                      research, weather forecasting,
                                      climate<br>
                                                      and environment
                                      research, simulations of all
                                      types,<br>
                                                      manufacturing,
                                      design, you name it, it
                                      predominantly<br>
                                                      runs on Linux and
                                      open source.<br>
                                      <br>
                                                      For example, visit<br>
                                                      <a href="https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.top500.org/statist<wbr>ics/list/</a><br>
                                                      <<a href="https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.top500.org/statis<wbr>tics/list/</a>>
                                      and filter<br>
                                                      on TOP500 Release:
                                      June 2016; then Category(ies):<br>
                                                      Operating System,
                                      Application Area, and Segments.<br>
                                      <br>
                                                      You will find that
                                      of the top 500 supercomputer sites<br>
                                                      in the world, not
                                      a single one runs either Windows
                                      or<br>
                                                      Mac OS X. Only 16
                                      - just a hair over 3%, run
                                      something<br>
                                                      other than some
                                      obvious distribution of Linux.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                                      On Mon, 2016-08-22
                                      at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                                          When my kids
                                      were in High School I tried
                                      working<br>
                                                          with our
                                      school<br>
                                                          district
                                      (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to
                                      get<br>
                                                          programming
                                      taught,<br>
                                                          somewhere. The
                                      school used all Macs but had at<br>
                                                          least one
                                      MSWindows 95 in<br>
                                                          some kind of
                                      lab. On a day they canceled school<br>
                                                          because of an
                                      ice storm<br>
                                                          I called and
                                      they said I could install the
                                      QBasic<br>
                                                          from Windows,
                                      along<br>
                                                          with program
                                      examples galore. So I left my kids<br>
                                                          home and drove
                                      to town<br>
                                                          and installed
                                      it all. I later went to school
                                      board<br>
                                                          meetings and
                                      they<br>
                                                          fought me
                                      until my kids all graduated.
                                      "Political"<br>
                                                          is an
                                      understatement.<br>
                                      <br>
                                                          I use Linux
                                      because I can program it. I don't
                                      know<br>
                                                          how kids can
                                      make it<br>
                                                          in the future
                                      without knowing electronics and<br>
                                                          programming.
                                      It seems they<br>
                                                          are trying to
                                      cripple kids with sports, and
                                      retard<br>
                                                          them
                                      intellectually.<br>
                                                          It sure wasn't
                                      that way in the 1960s.<br>
                                      <br>
                                                          Linda Kateley
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                                              I started
                                      working with my school district<br>
                                                              about 10
                                      years ago. The problems I find
                                      there<br>
                                                              are always
                                      political and never about<br>
                                                             
                                      technology. What worked for me is
                                      to find one<br>
                                                              champion
                                      in the system that speaks the<br>
                                                             
                                      administrations language. I found
                                      there were a<br>
                                                              ton of
                                      people who wanted to know, just
                                      not at<br>
                                                              the top. I
                                      introduced scratch to the<br>
                                                              elementary
                                      STEM school about 5 years ago,<br>
                                                              <a href="https://scratch.mit.edu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://scratch.mit.edu/</a>.
                                      It was the districts<br>
                                                              first
                                      involvement with opensource or<br>
                                                              community.
                                      The project has been very very<br>
                                                              successful
                                      and it opened the doors to more.<br>
                                                              But then
                                      they hired a new superintendent
                                      that<br>
                                                              thought it
                                      was stupid so..that happened ;(<br>
                                                              linda On
                                      8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                                                  I have
                                      already given one presentation at<br>
                                                                  the
                                      Blair Taylor School with the
                                      principal<br>
                                                                  and an
                                      IT guy and have been asked to give<br>
                                                                  a
                                      follow up talk to them and the
                                      head of<br>
                                                                  the IT
                                      department. They had macbook air<br>
                                                                  for
                                      the older kids and ipads for the<br>
                                                                 
                                      younger ones. They bring these
                                      home at the<br>
                                                                  end of
                                      the school day. This time they<br>
                                                                 
                                      decided to go with cromebooks. It
                                      one of<br>
                                                                  the
                                      best.. rated or testing, can't
                                      think<br>
                                                                  of an
                                      appropriate word, but with the<br>
                                                                 
                                      quality of the teachers out here i
                                      am<br>
                                                                  pretty
                                      sure they could give my kids
                                      sticks<br>
                                                                  and a
                                      box of sand and they would still
                                      be<br>
                                                                  well
                                      prepared for life on their<br>
                                                                 
                                      own/college. I am 100% positive
                                      they will<br>
                                                                  be
                                      much better off if they can learn<br>
                                                                 
                                      without restrictions from open
                                      source<br>
                                                                 
                                      hardware, software, classes (like
                                      MIT<br>
                                                                  offers
                                      open courseware) and the ability
                                      to<br>
                                                                 
                                      choose, to not be scolded for
                                      breaking<br>
                                                                  some
                                      license agreement or for reading
                                      and<br>
                                                                 
                                      modifying code should that be an
                                      interest.<br>
                                                                  I want
                                      them to have Linux. I have gave a<br>
                                                                 
                                      compelling argument in the last
                                      meeting.<br>
                                                                  This
                                      time I want to have as many
                                      resources<br>
                                                                 
                                      available to provide for them,
                                      including<br>
                                                                 
                                      reasons why schools frequently
                                      choose to<br>
                                                                  not
                                      use Linux. Anything will help. I
                                      had<br>
                                                                  quite
                                      the presentation last time and the<br>
                                                                  IT guy
                                      didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4<br>
                                                                  was;
                                      or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems
                                      Ubuntu<br>
                                                                 
                                      provides computers reloaded with
                                      Linux and<br>
                                                                 
                                      tablets so how they didn't find
                                      anything<br>
                                                                  about
                                      open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is<br>
                                                                  beyond
                                      me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS
                                      on<br>
                                                                  a
                                      thumb drive. I wanted to make some
                                      more<br>
                                                                  and
                                      use persistence to load up some<br>
                                                                 
                                      information to give to the IT
                                      people who<br>
                                                                  are
                                      possibly way under informed, to
                                      give<br>
                                                                  them
                                      plenty of time on their own to
                                      absorb<br>
                                                                  what
                                      open source has to offer; mostly<br>
                                                                 
                                      community! They asked many
                                      questions about<br>
                                                                 
                                      community. Yes we work together
                                      and keep<br>
                                                                  our
                                      favorite distributions alive often<br>
                                                                 
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