<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px;white-space:nowrap"> r hayman very nice. you just can't argue with that!</span><br><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;white-space:nowrap">Should i give people credit for some of these ideas? is that something anyone would want? i think it would build up the </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;white-space:nowrap">community aspect, because that is exactly what this is.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:50 PM, r hayman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rhayman@pureice.com" target="_blank">rhayman@pureice.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>Relevancy.</div><div>To remain relevant in many job fields, students must learn about open source software and Linux. To prepare our students and our future work force to be relevant when they enter the work force, academia and the business world need to be aligned and that alignment, in many ways is with open source software.</div><div><br></div><div>Running open source or COTS software is seldom a business differentiator today, it may only be a (negative) differentiator based on licensing and support costs.</div><div><br></div><div>Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate and environment research, simulations of all types, manufacturing, design, you name it, it predominantly runs on Linux and open source.</div><div><br></div><div>For example, visit <a href="https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/" target="_blank">https://www.top500.org/<wbr>statistics/list/</a> and filter on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies): Operating System, Application Area, and Segments.</div><div><br></div><div>You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites in the world, not a single one runs either Windows or Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over 3%, run something other than some obvious distribution of Linux.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div class="h5"><div>On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><pre>When my kids were in High School I tried working with our school
district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get programming taught,
somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at least one MSWindows 95 in
some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school because of an ice storm
I called and they said I could install the QBasic from Windows, along
with program examples galore. So I left my kids home and drove to town
and installed it all. I later went to school board meetings and they
fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" is an understatement.
I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know how kids can make it
in the future without knowing electronics and programming. It seems they
are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard them intellectually.
It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s.
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I started working with my school district about 10 years ago. The
problems I find there are always political and never about technology.
What worked for me is to find one champion in the system that speaks
the administrations language. I found there were a ton of people who
wanted to know, just not at the top.
I introduced scratch to the elementary STEM school about 5 years ago,
<a href="https://scratch.mit.edu/" target="_blank">https://scratch.mit.edu/</a>. It was the districts first involvement with
opensource or community. The project has been very very successful and
it opened the doors to more. But then they hired a new superintendent
that thought it was stupid so..that happened ;(
linda
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I have already given one presentation at the Blair Taylor School
with the principal and an IT guy and have been asked to give a follow
up talk to them and the head of the IT department.
They had macbook air for the older kids and ipads for the younger
ones. They bring these home at the end of the school day. This time
they decided to go with cromebooks. It one of the best.. rated or
testing, can't think of an appropriate word, but with the quality of
the teachers out here i am pretty sure they could give my kids sticks
and a box of sand and they would still be well prepared for life on
their own/college. I am 100% positive they will be much better off if
they can learn without restrictions from open source hardware,
software, classes (like MIT offers open courseware) and the ability
to choose, to not be scolded for breaking some license agreement or
for reading and modifying code should that be an interest. I want
them to have Linux.
I have gave a compelling argument in the last meeting. This time I
want to have as many resources available to provide for them,
including reasons why schools frequently choose to not use Linux.
Anything will help. I had quite the presentation last time and the IT
guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4 was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris.
Seems Ubuntu provides computers reloaded with Linux and tablets so
how they didn't find anything about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is
beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on a thumb drive. I wanted to
make some more and use persistence to load up some information to
give to the IT people who are possibly way under informed, to give
them plenty of time on their own to absorb what open source has to
offer; mostly community!
They asked many questions about community. Yes we work together
and keep our favorite distributions alive often without corporate
support!
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