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    <p><font size="+2">Hi, Ryan:  Well, it's not too soon to start
        designing a statewide community emergency broadband mesh network. 
        Rochester is considering the feasibility of such a network as we
        sit here.  :)</font></p>
    <p><font size="+2">Tom</font></p>
    <p><font size="+2">P.S.  I could be wrong about that.  I'm guessing
        these networks can be sustainable based on a business model that
        pairs up advertisers with content.</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/22/2016 10:29 PM, Ryan Coleman
      wrote:<br>
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      Mesh is nice. I design and install large systems as part of my day
      job.
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            <div class="">On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Sandwhich Eyes
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              <div dir="ltr" class="">I really like this wireless mesh
                stuff. I am very interested. doing some deep reading
                now.
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                <div class="">also check out how it has cat in the
                  domain name. facebook flagged it as dangerous so i had
                  click a few pictures of cats and what not to get it to
                  publish.  this is the site off of the nyc mesh link
                  from tom poe.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:09
                  PM, Sandwhich Eyes <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:sandwhicheyes@gmail.com"
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                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
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                        class="">   r hayman very nice. you just can't
                        argue with that!</span><br class="">
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                          class="">Should i give people credit for some
                          of these ideas? is that something anyone would
                          want? i think it would build up the </span></div>
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                          class="">community aspect, because that is
                          exactly what this is.</span></div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 22, 2016
                            at 3:50 PM, r hayman <span dir="ltr"
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                                href="mailto:rhayman@pureice.com"
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                                  <div class="">Relevancy.</div>
                                  <div class="">To remain relevant in
                                    many job fields, students must learn
                                    about open source software and
                                    Linux. To prepare our students and
                                    our future work force to be relevant
                                    when they enter the work force,
                                    academia and the business world need
                                    to be aligned and that alignment, in
                                    many ways is with open source
                                    software.</div>
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                                  <div class="">Running open source or
                                    COTS software is seldom a business
                                    differentiator today, it may only be
                                    a (negative) differentiator based on
                                    licensing and support costs.</div>
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                                  <div class="">Pharmaceutical research,
                                    weather forecasting, climate and
                                    environment research, simulations of
                                    all types, manufacturing, design,
                                    you name it, it predominantly runs
                                    on Linux and open source.</div>
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                                  <div class="">For example, visit <a
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                                      href="https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/"
                                      target="_blank" class="">https://www.top500.org/s<wbr
                                        class="">tatistics/list/</a> and
                                    filter on TOP500 Release: June 2016;
                                    then Category(ies): Operating
                                    System, Application Area, and
                                    Segments.</div>
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                                  <div class="">You will find that of
                                    the top 500 supercomputer sites in
                                    the world, not a single one runs
                                    either Windows or Mac OS X. Only 16
                                    - just a hair over 3%, run something
                                    other than some obvious distribution
                                    of Linux.</div>
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                                    <div class="">On Mon, 2016-08-22 at
                                      15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson
                                      wrote:</div>
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                                      <pre class="">When my kids were in High School I tried working with our school 
district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get programming taught, 
somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at least one MSWindows 95 in 
some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school because of an ice storm 
I called and they said I could install the QBasic from Windows, along 
with program examples galore. So I left my kids home and drove to town 
and installed it all. I later went to school board meetings and they 
fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" is an understatement.

I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know how kids can make it 
in the future without knowing electronics and programming. It seems they 
are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard them intellectually. 
It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s.

Linda Kateley wrote:
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I started working with my school district about 10 years ago. The 
problems I find there are always political and never about technology.

What worked for me is to find one champion in the system that speaks 
the administrations language. I found there were a ton of people who 
wanted to know, just not at the top.

I introduced scratch to the elementary STEM school about 5 years ago, 
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://scratch.mit.edu/" target="_blank" class="">https://scratch.mit.edu/</a>. It was the districts first involvement with 
opensource or community. The project has been very very successful and 
it opened the doors to more. But then they hired a new superintendent 
that thought it was stupid so..that happened ;(

linda


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   I have already given one presentation at the Blair Taylor School 
with the principal and an IT guy and have been asked to give a follow 
up talk to them and the head of the IT department.
   They had macbook air for the older kids and ipads for the younger 
ones. They bring these home at the end of the school day. This time 
they decided to go with cromebooks. It one of the best.. rated or 
testing, can't think of an appropriate word, but with the quality of 
the teachers out here i am pretty sure they could give my kids sticks 
and a box of sand and they would still be well prepared for life on 
their own/college. I am 100% positive they will be much better off if 
they can learn without restrictions from open source hardware, 
software, classes (like MIT offers open courseware) and the ability 
to choose, to not be scolded for breaking some license agreement or 
for reading and modifying code should that be an interest. I want 
them to have Linux.
   I have gave a compelling argument in the last meeting. This time I 
want to have as many resources available to provide for them, 
including reasons why schools frequently choose to not use Linux. 
Anything will help. I had quite the presentation last time and the IT 
guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4 was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris. 
Seems Ubuntu provides computers reloaded with Linux and tablets so 
how they didn't find anything about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is 
beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on a thumb drive. I wanted to 
make some more and use persistence to load up some information to 
give to the IT people who are possibly way under informed, to give 
them plenty of time on their own to absorb what open source has to 
offer; mostly community!
   They asked many questions about community. Yes we work together 
and keep our favorite distributions alive often without corporate 
support!



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