<div dir="ltr">Check out gnome flashback session if you really cant stand unity.<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/ubuntu-14-04-classic-gnome-flashback-session">http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/ubuntu-14-04-classic-gnome-flashback-session</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Are you using nero for dvd burning or editing movies?</div><div><br></div><div>You can use dvd-styler ( <a href="http://www.dvdstyler.org/en/">http://www.dvdstyler.org/en/</a> ) to create menus, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Brasero Disk Burner also comes default with Ubuntu.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Kenneth Lynes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenlynes@usa.net" target="_blank">kenlynes@usa.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi guys,<br>
I am perplexed lately as to what version of Linux to use. I hated the Unity<br>
desktop and wanted to keep Ubuntu as I really liked it before that change. I<br>
know that underneath it was the same as before and would work best for me, but<br>
I wanted my familiar menu back.<br>
It seems there was some attempt to keep it intact and there was a short time<br>
when on the next update to Ubuntu, the classic look was made available. But<br>
later on this seemed to disappear and I went over to Mint as it seemed to me<br>
that it was the closest thing to having Ubuntu. I think it used the same<br>
repository, but not sure about that.<br>
<br>
My issues have been only that the video ability of linux lags behind so much<br>
from what my extremely hated Microsoft would enable me to use. I used nero<br>
linux for a while last year until my paid for install suddenly would not run<br>
and said it was expired. I bought the app from Nero and they did not say it<br>
would end or only be good for one year. I digress a bit talking about that and<br>
I will have to see if Nero will still honor my version of the program now.<br>
But I would have to use some video conversion programs only available on MS<br>
and kept hoping there would be some progress in the video realm with linux,<br>
but it seems to have stalled or even gotten worse now. Does anyone in the<br>
linux field care if they can deal with the videos in an equal way being done<br>
in MS world?<br>
<br>
Number two issue is the NDAS open source code is available to use in whatever<br>
way is wanted and is given away I am told. No one with ability to fix it does<br>
anything with it so I have to use a windows computer to use the windows<br>
version to see my ndas drives and then use some kind of network windows shared<br>
for my linux computer to see them.<br>
I like the ndas idea as I can have drives on my network which do not have an<br>
address as such and can not be seen from outside the network. Only computers<br>
in the network can see them as they are addressed by the ndas software.<br>
<br>
I want to get rid of all my windows machines, but the lack of doing some of<br>
these things in linux is stopping me. I am not good at the command line now<br>
days. I am getting a bit old and cant remember the various commands easily. So<br>
I rely on the GUI and it is not doing much for me.<br>
<br>
Also, just to comment on the previous days postings about which linux variety<br>
is used and liked most. I want to stay with Ubuntu so is there a way to do it<br>
better than using Mint?<br>
I think it was great to see which distros guys with real expertise were using.<br>
I will read a lot of those postings again. Perhaps we could have a meeting<br>
dedicated to this topic and extoll the virtues of the various distros?<br>
<br>
Thanks for any advice you may give me.<br>
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> Message: 1<br>
> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 08:00:05 -0600<br>
> From: B-o-B De Mars <<a href="mailto:mr.chew.baka@gmail.com">mr.chew.baka@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?<br>
> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:54AD3BE5.5030309@gmail.com">54AD3BE5.5030309@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> On 1/7/2015 2:14 AM, paul g wrote:<br>
> > Mr. Bob, would you be able to talk with a noober like me about Slackware<br>
> > sometime?<br>
> ><br>
> > I am interested in your post. Thank you for your time.<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> Yes.I would be happy to talk about Slackware with you.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Message: 2<br>
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:10:03 -0600<br>
> From: Jeff Chapin <<a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <<a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel<br>
> Message-ID:<br>
> <<a href="mailto:CAJt84%2BPCOfWXqUDd8ymp0Z0AHpbpA0QQoYHN4DotKifRhxO2Kw@mail.gmail.com">CAJt84+PCOfWXqUDd8ymp0Z0AHpbpA0QQoYHN4DotKifRhxO2Kw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
><br>
> Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version<br>
> provided by Mint?<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > I am trying to play 'old music videos' - via - 'youtube' on<br>
> > Linux-Mint17-Mate with kernel -3.14.13-031413-generic-under-firefox 34.0'<br>
> > Currently I have the 11.2.202.425 flash installed. The HTML5 Google<br>
player<br>
> > makes Firefox 34.0' crash after 2-3 songs if that. I think it may be<br>
> > something to do with Cisco systems video Codec. Sorry to ask such a dumb<br>
> > question. Thank you for your time.<br>
> ><br>
> > 0. problem--> I am trying to play 'all kinds of' music videos via youtube<br>
> > on my linuxmint computer.<br>
> ><br>
> > paul g<br>
> ><br>
> > ------------------------------<br>
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600<br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a<br>
> > noob.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks and happy new year.<br>
> ><br>
> > paul g<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ------------------------------<br>
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600<br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest<br>
> > of this email chain.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt<br>
> > now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof<br>
learned<br>
> > to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.<br>
> ><br>
> > paul g<br>
> ><br>
> > ------------------------------<br>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600<br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel<br>
> ><br>
> > no.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ------------------------------<br>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600<br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot<br>
> > of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older<br>
> > version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version<br>
via<br>
> > terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my<br>
> > struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.<br>
> ><br>
> > [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ------------------------------<br>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600<br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel<br>
> ><br>
> > You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once,<br>
> > or always.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <<a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0</a><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to<br>
> > use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.<br>
> ><br>
> > ------------------------------<br>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600<br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel<br>
> ><br>
> > Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as<br>
> > previously mentioned?<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged<br>
in<br>
> > and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks<br>
> > as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though<br>
that<br>
> > Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could<br>
I<br>
> > ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for<br>
> > your help.<br>
> ><br>
> > [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays<br>
> ><br>
> > Paul G<br>
> ><br>
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600<br>
> > > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>
> > > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some<br>
> > > time, too. That's most likely it.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <<a href="mailto:sfertch@gmail.com">sfertch@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
> > > > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue myself<br>
on<br>
> > > > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to use<br>
> > the<br>
> > > > old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current<br>
Fedora.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <<a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > >><br>
> > > >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to<br>
none.<br>
> > > >><br>
> > > >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player,<br>
I<br>
> > > >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.<br>
> > > >><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
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> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > --<br>
> > > Jeff Chapin<br>
> > > President, CedarLug, retired<br>
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>
> > > Senator, NISG, retired<br>
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> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>
> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Jeff Chapin<br>
> > President, CedarLug, retired<br>
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>
> > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>
> > Senator, NISG, retired<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -<br>
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> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>
> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Jeff Chapin<br>
> > President, CedarLug, retired<br>
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>
> > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>
> > Senator, NISG, retired<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Jeff Chapin<br>
> > President, CedarLug, retired<br>
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>
> > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>
> > Senator, NISG, retired<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -<br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Jeff Chapin<br>
> > President, CedarLug, retired<br>
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>
> > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>
> > Senator, NISG, retired<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -<br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Jeff Chapin<br>
> > President, CedarLug, retired<br>
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>
> > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>
> > Senator, NISG, retired<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -<br>
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>
> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Jeff Chapin<br>
> > President, CedarLug, retired<br>
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>
> > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>
> > Senator, NISG, retired<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -<br>
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>
> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> > <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Jeff Chapin<br>
> > President, CedarLug, retired<br>
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>
> > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>
> > Senator, NISG, retired<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -<br>
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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