<div dir="ltr"><div>Paul G,<br><br></div>He suggested installing both ntp and ntpdate.<br><br>Jeff<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 2:03 AM, paul g <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">Mint 17 just had an update last week with 'ntp' 'ntpdate' I can show you dpkg -- installed ?<br><br>dpkg -l | less <br><br>ii ntpdate 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1 amd64 client for setting system time from NTP servers<br><br>its installed. <br>thank you your suggestions? <img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_0263A.png" alt="Emoji"><br><br><br><div>Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:54:32 -0600<div><div class="h5"><br>From: <a href="mailto:tclug@freakzilla.com" target="_blank">tclug@freakzilla.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.<br><br><pre>NTP, or Network time Protocol, is used to automatically syncronise time <br>across various machines. It basically uses a semi-distributed model to get <br>time from trusted sources. Your BIOS clock isn't an accurate timekeeping <br>device, anyway, so why trust it.<br> <br># apt-get install ntp ntpdate<br> <br>Will install init files to do it all for you.<br> <br> <br>On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:<br> <br>> NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me?<br>> Emoji<br>> <br>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600<br>> From: <a href="mailto:tclug@freakzilla.com" target="_blank">tclug@freakzilla.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at<br>> the same time.<br>> <br>> Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't <br>> this exactly what NTP is for?<br>> <br>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:<br>> <br>> > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set th<br>> e<br>> > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in<br>> > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios<br>> > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right t<br>> o<br>> > proper UTC time.<br>> > <br>> > Thanks.<br>> > <br>> > __________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600<br>> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at<br>> > the same time.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the<br>> > following command if you were trying to set a system clock to<br>> > tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?<br>> ><br>> > hwclock --hctosys<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Why do you want another command?<br>> > <br>> > I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I<br>> > were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/<br>> > /etc/default/rcS<br>> ><br>> > it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about<br>> > updates that could have locked the machine up at<br>> > sometime/somepoint.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > I'm not sure why you think that.<br>> > <br>> ><br>> > Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > I don't understand the question.<br>> > <br>> ><br>> > Thank you,<br>> > <br>> > __________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600<br>> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse<br>> > to set at the same time.<br>> ><br>> > Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed<br>> > at all.<br>> > <br>> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios<br>> > clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?<br>> ><br>> > I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.<br>> ><br>> > cool.<br>> ><br>> > Am I right about this?<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > __________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600<br>> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock<br>> > refuse to set at the same time.<br>> ><br>> > Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is<br>> > one of them.<br>> > <br>> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>><br>> > wrote:<br>> > The error I expected was an output via --><br>> > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc<br>> ><br>> > once entered into the terminal as following:<br>> ><br>> > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc<br>> > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $<br>> ><br>> > was the entire output of the command. I guess if you<br>> > put it that way though it would be like the good<br>> > working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.<br>> > 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just<br>> > don't ask.<br>> ><br>> > I'm waiting for your help.<br>> ><br>> > Thank you.<br>> > <br>> > __________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600<br>> > From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC<br>> > clock refuse to set at the same time.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> ><br>> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g<br>> > <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > Helps alot!<br>> ><br>> > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock<br>> > Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST <br>> > -0.078578 seconds<br>> > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $<br>> ><br>> > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock<br>> > Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST <br>> > -0.051555 seconds<br>> ><br>> > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock<br>> > --systohc<br>> > paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $<br>> ><br>> > obviously ^ fails with the --systohc<br>> > extension.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <--why? <--every time I go into bios and<br>> > change the time via biox I get an incorrect<br>> > time on desktop. I am going to be looking into<br>> > this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I<br>> > thank you for your time and your help.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a<br>> > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Emoji - paul g<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > __________________________________________________________________________<br>> __<br>> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600<br>> > From: <a href="mailto:kelly.black@penguinpackets.com" target="_blank">kelly.black@penguinpackets.com</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux<br>> > UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.<br>> ><br>> > Paul,<br>> > To set the system clock to the hardware clock<br>> > hwclock --hctosys<br>> > Other way around:<br>> > hwclock --systohc<br>> > You should be able to check the hardware clock<br>> > by issuing:<br>> > hwclock<br>> > That will give you an idea of how far off the<br>> > hardware clock is. If it is skewed far<br>> > enough, you will probably want to go in to the<br>> > bios on a reboot and update it. If it does<br>> > not stick past power outages, you might want<br>> > to replace the cmos battery on the<br>> > motherboard.<br>> > Hope that helps.<br>> > <br>> > Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST<br>> > from "paul g"<br>> > <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> Subject:<br>> > Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and<br>> > Linux UTC clock refuse to set at<br>> > the same time.<br>> > The question is 'how can I set the hardware<br>> > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.<br>> > <br>> > My apologies.<br>> > <br>> > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb<br>> > stuff' meant alot.<br>> > <br>> > paul g<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > --<br>> > Jeff Chapin<br>> > President, CedarLug, retired<br>> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>> > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>> > Senator, NISG, retired<br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG<br>> > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > --<br>> > Jeff Chapin<br>> > President, CedarLug, retired<br>> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>> > President, UNI Scuba Club<br>> > Senator, NISG, retired<br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing<br>> > List - 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