<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:58 AM, paul g <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">Good point I ran into an issue with Mint/Maya I believe 2 years ago with the Nexuiz 'game' .. you might have the answers - again here Jeff. I', just wondering about your opinions. How can I test NTP cause it's no different via cable or dsl I know that for a for a fact.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I honestly do not understand what you think you are saying.<br></div><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"><br>Help me please <img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_1F61E.png" alt="Emoji"> thank you for your time.<br><br><div><hr>Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:51:25 -0600<div><div class="h5"><br>From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.<br><br><div dir="ltr">Paul, your kernel/distro does not really matter. NTP is the Network Time Protocol. It's how computers sync clocks up.<br></div><div><br><div>On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, paul g <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me? <img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_0263A.png" alt="Emoji"><br><br><div>Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600<br>From: <a href="mailto:tclug@freakzilla.com" target="_blank">tclug@freakzilla.com</a><div><div><br>To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.<br><br><pre>Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't <br>this exactly what NTP is for?<br> <br>On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:<br> <br>> I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set the<br>> 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in<br>> 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios<br>> time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right to<br>> proper UTC time.<br>> <br>> Thanks.<br>> <br>> ____________________________________________________________________________<br>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600<br>> From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at<br>> the same time.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the<br>> following command if you were trying to set a system clock to<br>> tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?<br>><br>> hwclock --hctosys<br>> <br>> <br>> Why do you want another command?<br>> <br>> I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I<br>> were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/<br>> /etc/default/rcS<br>><br>> it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about<br>> updates that could have locked the machine up at<br>> sometime/somepoint.<br>> <br>> <br>> I'm not sure why you think that.<br>> <br>><br>> Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji<br>> <br>> <br>> I don't understand the question.<br>> <br>><br>> Thank you,<br>> <br>> ____________________________________________________________________________<br>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600<br>> From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse<br>> to set at the same time.<br>><br>> Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed<br>> at all.<br>> <br>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios<br>> clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?<br>><br>> I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.<br>><br>> cool.<br>><br>> Am I right about this?<br>> <br>> <br>> ____________________________________________________________________________<br>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600<br>> From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock<br>> refuse to set at the same time.<br>><br>> Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is<br>> one of them.<br>> <br>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> The error I expected was an output via --><br>> paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc<br>><br>> once entered into the terminal as following:<br>><br>> paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc<br>> paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $<br>><br>> was the entire output of the command. I guess if you<br>> put it that way though it would be like the good<br>> working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.<br>> 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just<br>> don't ask.<br>><br>> I'm waiting for your help.<br>><br>> Thank you.<br>> <br>> ____________________________________________________________________________<br>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600<br>> From: <a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC<br>> clock refuse to set at the same time.<br>> <br>> <br>><br>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g<br>> <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Helps alot!<br>><br>> paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock<br>> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST <br>> -0.078578 seconds<br>> paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $<br>><br>> paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock<br>> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST <br>> -0.051555 seconds<br>><br>> paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock<br>> --systohc<br>> paul@desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $<br>><br>> obviously ^ fails with the --systohc<br>> extension.<br>> <br>> <br>> What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.<br>> <br>> <br>> <--why? <--every time I go into bios and<br>> change the time via biox I get an incorrect<br>> time on desktop. I am going to be looking into<br>> this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I<br>> thank you for your time and your help.<br>> <br>> <br>> Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a<br>> timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Emoji - paul g<br>> <br>> <br>> ____________________________________________________________________________<br>> To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600<br>> From: <a href="mailto:kelly.black@penguinpackets.com" target="_blank">kelly.black@penguinpackets.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux<br>> UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.<br>><br>> Paul,<br>> To set the system clock to the hardware clock<br>> hwclock --hctosys<br>> Other way around:<br>> hwclock --systohc<br>> You should be able to check the hardware clock<br>> by issuing:<br>> hwclock<br>> That will give you an idea of how far off the<br>> hardware clock is. If it is skewed far<br>> enough, you will probably want to go in to the<br>> bios on a reboot and update it. If it does<br>> not stick past power outages, you might want<br>> to replace the cmos battery on the<br>> motherboard.<br>> Hope that helps.<br>> <br>> Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST<br>> from "paul g"<br>> <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> Subject:<br>> Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and<br>> Linux UTC clock refuse to set at<br>> the same time.<br>> The question is 'how can I set the hardware<br>> clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.<br>> <br>> My apologies.<br>> <br>> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb<br>> stuff' meant alot.<br>> <br>> paul g<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> --<br>> Jeff Chapin<br>> President, CedarLug, retired<br>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>> President, UNI Scuba Club<br>> Senator, NISG, retired<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG<br>> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> --<br>> Jeff Chapin<br>> President, CedarLug, retired<br>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>> President, UNI Scuba Club<br>> Senator, NISG, retired<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing<br>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> --<br>> Jeff Chapin<br>> President, CedarLug, retired<br>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>> President, UNI Scuba Club<br>> Senator, NISG, retired<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -<br>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> --<br>> Jeff Chapin<br>> President, CedarLug, retired<br>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br>> President, UNI Scuba Club<br>> Senator, NISG, retired<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -<br>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>><br></pre><br>_______________________________________________
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