<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Jeff Chapin <<a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" class="">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:32 PM, paul g<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank" class="">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">1. Would this issue that Ryan was having with SpamAssassin be a legit bug report situation? Ryan obviously figured out the problem without the need to file a bug report and therefore was able to install the software.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, since it is an opportunity to improve the software.<br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">2. Now, if this is a legit bug report situation and Ryan had needed or wanted to file a bug report what would be the 'correct' avenue to do so would he start with the SpamAssassin development team or Ubuntu or Debian upstream maintainers?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Most likely Spam Assassin -- given that he was compiling, it is unlikely he was compiling from Ubuntu-provided source code. Most of the time you compile, you are doing so to get a newer version than what is provided by your distro (or want to change the defaults). Even if it was provided by Ubuntu/Debian, unless the error is due to a change made by Ubuntu/Debian, why would you report the issue to them?<br class=""></div><div class=""> </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I was doing <i class="">apt-get install spamassassin --reinstall </i>though, so you tell me? I’ll end up reporting the bug eventually, but I have no idea how to fix it, I just found a work-around.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">This to me is a good question to learn on because it would help me in the future if I needed to file a bug report. Pointing to where best and most appropriate to 'ask the question/duplicate the situation' to the proper area. As far as bug reports are concerned.<br class=""><br class="">Thanks for taking your time to respond.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Happy New Year<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_1F60A.png" alt="Emoji" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You report the bug to whomever created the bug, typically.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><hr class="">Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:42:13 -0600<br class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><div class=""><div class="h5"><br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank" class="">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?<br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I'll correct myself here -- in my last email, I made the assumption that we were talking about bug reports that are properly filed with the correct project. I feel like that needed to be clarified based on Andrew's reply.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Jeff Chapin<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span class="">On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, paul g<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank" class="">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the programmer</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">With most open source projects, the bug reports go straight to the interested devs.<br class=""></div><span class=""><div class=""><br class=""> </div><blockquote style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">Depends on how much the programmers care, and how many people it impacts, and how long it takes to code a fix. In some cases minutes, in some, the bugs linger around for years because no one cares enough to devote the time to fix it.<br class=""></div><span class=""><div class=""><br class=""> </div><blockquote style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one thing about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is time it may take to get bugs fixed.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">This is mostly due to the number of architectures Debian supports. The fixes don't always take a long time, compiling and testing the fixes on multiple architectures sometimes does.<br class=""></div><span class=""><div class=""> </div><blockquote style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or Ubuntu in any way.<span class=""><br class=""><br class=""><img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_1F608.png" alt="Emoji" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- Happy New Year<br class=""><br class=""></span><div class=""><hr class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ryan.coleman@cwis.biz" target="_blank" class="">ryan.coleman@cwis.biz</a><br class="">Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600<span class=""><br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank" class="">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?<br class=""><br class=""></span><div class=""><div class="">Unlikely.<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank" class="">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class="">Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before?<span class=""> </span><br class=""><br class=""><img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_1F608.png" alt="Emoji" class=""><span class=""> </span>- Happy New Year<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""></div></div><span class="">_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank" class="">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank" class="">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></span></div></div></div><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br class=""><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank" class="">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank" class="">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></span></div><span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><div class="">Jeff Chapin<br class="">President, CedarLug, retired<br class="">President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br class="">President, UNI Scuba Club<br class="">Senator, NISG, retired</div></font></span></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><div class="">Jeff Chapin<br class="">President, CedarLug, retired<br class="">President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br class="">President, UNI Scuba Club<br class="">Senator, NISG, retired</div></div><br class="">_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank" class="">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank" class="">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div></div></div></div><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br class=""><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" class="">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank" class="">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><div class="gmail_signature">Jeff Chapin<br class="">President, CedarLug, retired<br class="">President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"<br class="">President, UNI Scuba Club<br class="">Senator, NISG, retired</div></div></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; 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