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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>All I have to say is Ryan knows some stuff seems like someone I wish was my friend.<br><br>Happy New Year - <img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_1F608.png" alt="Emoji" class="Emoji$1F608$AB7 RenderedEmoji"><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: ryan.coleman@cwis.biz<br>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:25:26 -0600<br>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?<br><br><br><div><blockquote><div>On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Jeff Chapin <<a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:32 PM, paul g<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>></span><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir="ltr">1. Would this issue that Ryan was having with SpamAssassin be a legit bug report situation? Ryan obviously figured out the problem without the need to file a bug report and therefore was able to install the software.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, since it is an opportunity to improve the software.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir="ltr"><br>2. Now, if this is a legit bug report situation and Ryan had needed or wanted to file a bug report what would be the 'correct' avenue to do so would he start with the SpamAssassin development team or Ubuntu or Debian upstream maintainers?<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Most likely Spam Assassin -- given that he was compiling, it is unlikely he was compiling from Ubuntu-provided source code. Most of the time you compile, you are doing so to get a newer version than what is provided by your distro (or want to change the defaults). Even if it was provided by Ubuntu/Debian, unless the error is due to a change made by Ubuntu/Debian, why would you report the issue to them?<br></div><div> </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was doing <i>apt-get install spamassassin --reinstall </i>though, so you tell me? I’ll end up reporting the bug eventually, but I have no idea how to fix it, I just found a work-around.</div><br><blockquote><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><div class="ecxgmail_quote"><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir="ltr"><br>This to me is a good question to learn on because it would help me in the future if I needed to file a bug report. Pointing to where best and most appropriate to 'ask the question/duplicate the situation' to the proper area. As far as bug reports are concerned.<br><br>Thanks for taking your time to respond.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Happy New Year<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_1F60A.png" alt="Emoji"><br><br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You report the bug to whomever created the bug, typically.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div><br> </div><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div><hr>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:42:13 -0600<br>From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a><div><div class="h5"><br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?<br><br><div dir="ltr">I'll correct myself here -- in my last email, I made the assumption that we were talking about bug reports that are properly filed with the correct project. I feel like that needed to be clarified based on Andrew's reply.<br></div><div><br><div>On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Jeff Chapin<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chapinjeff@gmail.com" target="_blank">chapinjeff@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><br><div><span>On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, paul g<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>></span><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir="ltr">That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the programmer</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>With most open source projects, the bug reports go straight to the interested devs.<br></div><span><div><br> </div><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir="ltr">and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package?<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Depends on how much the programmers care, and how many people it impacts, and how long it takes to code a fix. In some cases minutes, in some, the bugs linger around for years because no one cares enough to devote the time to fix it.<br></div><span><div><br> </div><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir="ltr">I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one thing about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is time it may take to get bugs fixed.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>This is mostly due to the number of architectures Debian supports. The fixes don't always take a long time, compiling and testing the fixes on multiple architectures sometimes does.<br></div><span><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir="ltr">I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or Ubuntu in any way.<span><br><br><img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_1F608.png" alt="Emoji"><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>- Happy New Year<br><br></span><div><hr>From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ryan.coleman@cwis.biz" target="_blank">ryan.coleman@cwis.biz</a><br>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600<span><br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?<br><br></span><div><div>Unlikely.<div><br><div><blockquote><div>On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before?<span> </span><br><br><img src="https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_1F608.png" alt="Emoji"><span> </span>- Happy New Year<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div><br></div><br></div></div><span>_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - 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