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    Just a reminder: the FCC is set to hold an auction in 2015, which
    presumably could open up more unlicensed frequencies, thus boosting
    WiFi innovation.  Hopefully, this will be an opportunity to allow
    the public to tackle the State control of the airwaves we, the
    public, own.  Minnesota has infrastructure between rest stops along
    its' highways, fiber throughout much of its' university system, all
    neatly tucked away from public use.  It wouldn't be nearly as
    expensive as the numbers Ryan is contributing to the discussion to
    effectively create community based wifi networks which are robust
    and managed by the residents of each community.  Am I whistling at
    windmills?<br>
    Tom<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/26/2014 06:34 PM, Ryan Coleman
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          <div class="">On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Justin Krejci <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jus@krytosvirus.com"
              class="">jus@krytosvirus.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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              <p class="">Ryan,<br class="">
                Where are you getting your odds from? And what do you
                mean by "outer areas" exactly? Outside of the 494/694
                loop?<br class="">
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          <div class="">In order to have this happen there are MANY
            working parts to consider:</div>
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          <div class="">1) USI needs to have trunk capabilities. And
            right of way. Major roads are out of the question — Take a
            look at the coverage maps and see that Lyndale is not the
            main run through South Minneapolis which means I can never
            get fiber from them</div>
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          <div class="">2) To keep the cost low USI needs to own the
            fiber. In the suburbs your best options today (and for many
            years to come) are owned by CenturyLink. I can get USI fiber
            in the burbs with a CL primary for about 10x the price of
            USI in Minneapolis.</div>
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          <div class="">3) The cost to bury fiber is about $100/foot if
            you cannot directly bury the conduit. If you can dig and
            cover it’s about $10/foot (our termination point was about
            1,800 feet from the building). </div>
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          <div class="">The benefits and profits do not outweigh the
            costs for the production. So either USI leases cable from
            CenturyLink or Level3 - and that cost will be passed on to
            the customers. In the city USI has already seen a positive
            return and is likely going to turn a profit on the trenching
            in the next 5-10 years, but going from a hub to, say,
            Burnsville? My commute to Burnsville is 12 miles each day…
            If they have to use a DitchWitch™ the whole way that could
            easily cost more than $5,000,000. Can they turn that + the
            branch routes out of Burnsville in 10 years? Maybe, but
            that’s really a tall order. Not to mention the capital cost
            of the hardware - these switches at the distribution point
            are very expensive.</div>
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          <div class="">There’s a reason the Minneapolis WiFi project
            took off and succeed as quickly as it did: the general cost
            to product a pole node and connection back to the hub was
            about $4500 each. A little more or less depending on the
            link type (copper, fiber or radio) and then have a radio
            technician come back after the hardware is installed and lit
            up (powered) to tweak any settings if needed.</div>
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          <div class="">—</div>
          <div class="">Ryan</div>
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              <p class="">On 25.12.2014 14:02, Ryan Coleman wrote:</p>
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                10GBE; We’ve had 1GBE in the city for almost 5 years
                now.
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                <div class="">Odds are the outer areas won’t get
                  serviced simply due to cost - my last job had a quote
                  for $20,000 to get 1GBE service to our office in
                  Cottage Grove - and we had the school district
                  literally across the highway.</div>
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                      <div class="">On Dec 25, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Saul
                        Alanis <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          <div class="">I am surprised this hasn't been
                            mentioned on the list:<br class="">
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href="http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27194397/u-s-internet-rolls-out-faster-service-minneapolis"
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                          <div class="">A while back I heard the story
                            on MPR how Google fiber attracts
                            entrepreneurs springing up shops like the
                            kcstartupvillage in KC.<br class="">
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                          <div class="">TBH, I am quite tired of Comcast
                            and hoping the City of Burnsville/Dakota
                            County will get their act together and join
                            the 21st century.</div>
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