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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I know more about Apple now maybe Laptops in general. I am glad I was able to ask some questions here. I have many more questions to ask but reading can be helpful and not bother other users on the list as much. <br><br>There is a Linux Mint ppc here-----><a href="http://www.mintppc.org/content/installation-instructions-mintppc-11" target="_blank">http://www.mintppc.org/content/installation-instructions-mintppc-11</a><br><br>I will spend a bit of time reading about Gentoo.<br><br>FreeBSD I think is a bit to deep for me right now. I can hardly manage to Do alot of things on Ubuntu.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: ryanjcole@me.com<br>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:57:09 -0500<br>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC?<br><br>All G3/G4 Mac’s are PPC. When they dropped the term “PowerBook” they moved to Intel processors (2006) - since then they’re called MacBooks (Air, Pro, Retina, etc.)<div><br></div><div>And they were all 32-bit. </div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Mar 31, 2014, at 5:33 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr">Yes I have found that this particular Power Book G4 is 32 bit or possibly most all G4 Power Book's are 32 bit I read something and forgot it already.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>What I know now is that this particular Power Book G4 is -powerpc architecture.<br><br>Thanks for the info. The links are very helpful for reference.<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:ryanjcole@me.com">ryanjcole@me.com</a><br>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:25:40 -0500<br>To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC?<br><br>The biggest thing to know is that ia64 is NOT the normal Intel 64-bit CPU. I’ve made that mistake too many times.<div><br></div><div>This is the FreeBSD list of images (the only one I have bookmarked):</div><br>ISO-IMAGES-amd64<span class="ecxApple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span>// Intel/AMD/standard 64-bit architecture<br>ISO-IMAGES-i386<span class="ecxApple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span>// Intel/AMD 32-bit architecture<br>ISO-IMAGES-ia64<span class="ecxApple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span>// Itanium 64-bit<br>ISO-IMAGES-pc98<span class="ecxApple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span>// I know nothing about this but found this: <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/48919/pc-98" target="_blank">http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/48919/pc-98</a><br>ISO-IMAGES-powerpc<span class="ecxApple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span>// This is what you want<br>ISO-IMAGES-powerpc64<span class="ecxApple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span>// This is most likely not what you want<br><div>ISO-IMAGES-sparc64<span class="ecxApple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span>// SPARC - a Sun product: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Mar 31, 2014, at 5:20 PM, David Wagle <<a href="mailto:david.wagle@gmail.com">david.wagle@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div dir="ltr">Yes - this is actually a very key bit of information that is often missed by people who only work with single chip types.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Ryan Coleman<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ryanjcole@me.com" target="_blank">ryanjcole@me.com</a>></span><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;">Paul,<div><div><br></div><div><blockquote><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;"><div dir="ltr"> It looks to me that in order to get the correct Ubuntu edition for the MAC is specifically a PowerPC download not just a standard .iso download, will work. </div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div><div>That is correct - each build of an OS is targeted at a particular architecture.<div>i386 = 32-bit Intel-style CPUs (including AMD)</div><div>AMD64 = 64-bit Intel-style CPUs (including AMD)</div><div>Sparc = Sparc-based systems</div><div>etc. etc. etc. </div><div><br></div><div>I don’t know if you would want a PPC or MacPPC image. There are three different PPC processors in history:</div><div>1) IBM </div><div>2) Motorola</div><div>3) Apple (which is either IBM or Motorola depending on the model Macintosh).</div><div><br></div><div>Further reading (historical information, mainly):</div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap;"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC</a></div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap;"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM_alliance" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM_alliance</a></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On Mar 31, 2014, at 4:59 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="h5">Thanks Ryan,<span> </span><br><br>The deal here with this Power Book G4 is I am trying to help out a friend that knows some lesser about computers. run something newer than OSX Tiger. At this point Firefox is stuck at 3.5--- and flash is outdated etc. So without me knowing more about programming or whatever. I thought the best anwser I could come up with for an operating system for them would be use Ubuntu on the computer. It looks to me that in order to get the correct Ubuntu edition for the MAC is specifically a PowerPC download not just a standard .iso download, will work.<span> </span><br><br>Thanks for the tips in the following post 'zapping parameter Ram' is important obviously.<span> </span><br><br>Thanks,<br><br></div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><hr>From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ryanjcole@me.com" target="_blank">ryanjcole@me.com</a><br>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:37:58 -0500<br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC?<br><br>Paul,<div><br></div><div>It should be as simple as pressing the “option” key when you hear the chimes.<div><br></div><div>You can also load the OS and go to Preferences and choose Startup Disk (assuming OS X is installed) and select your Flash device.</div><div><br></div><div>Also if none of this is working zapping the parameter RAM will do some good. Press, and hold: Command, Option, P and R and let it cycle through a series of startup chimes without letting go. I usually do this 10 times to make sure it’s cleared out. This was a common tip for the PPC machines from Apple.</div><div><br></div><div>—</div><div>Ryan</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On Mar 31, 2014, at 3:05 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="h5">I have done some more reading mostly on the Ubuntu PowerPC and guides as far as setup. It looks like booting from flash drive requires some steps. When I was in front of the Power Book 2 days ago. I tried holding down the c key during boot with the original osx driver disk in the cd-drive it did not load the cd and continued to load up to the splash screen. Either way it looks like I have a bunch more reading to do.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br></div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><hr>From:<span> </span><a href="mailto:stuporglue@gmail.com" target="_blank">stuporglue@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 09:47:15 -0500<br>To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC?<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">You don't load a bios screen on a mac. However, to select your boot source, you hold down the command key when you power it on. After the beep you'll get a selection of boot locations that the computer can see at that time.<span> </span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Correct. Or, if you know you want to boot from the CD, just hold the "c" key (or maybe it's option-c) before the chime. </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div></div>Once you have linux installed, you'll get the same thing. I think you'll need to install rEFIt or some other EFI boot manager as well.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not for PowerPC macs, EFI didn't pop up on Macs until they switched to Intel chips. </div><div><br></div><div>PowerPC Macs used Open Firmware, but you wouldn't want to get into Open Firmware like you would the Bios. The Mac's UI and magic key combos will be enough. You can always hold down option during boot to choose which device to boot from, and there are a bunch of other combos that are useful for this or that:</div></div><br></div><div><a href="http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html#boot" target="_blank">http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html#boot</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Michael Moore</div></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><span> </span><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br><br>_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org" target="_blank">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br>_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________
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