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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I know now that the aptitude purge command is different than the dpkg purge command. Do you think that I am to dumb to use Debian? I guess I never went to a university and my mind is not very fast. Oh well this is a wonderful helpful user group though. I would like to someday know how to actually use a computer and write drivers. It takes alot of skill to be where you are all at. I just want a chance. I get so confused.<br><br>Thank You.<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: ryanjcole@me.com<br>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:54:32 -0600<br>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will Firefox 20.0 become obselete for basic use?<br><br>My point, which I failed to make, (BAD RYAN) was there’s really no such thing "as over my head” in this world. If you have someone willing to lead you through the doors you need you’ll be perfectly fine. I also forgot on the list CentOS and Fedora. Rarely I’ve been asked to touch an AUX box.<div><br><div><div>On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Ryan Coleman <<a href="mailto:ryanjcole@me.com">ryanjcole@me.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div style="word-wrap:break-word;">I started in the days of non-auto-fetching RPMs and RedHat 4.2 in 1999. After a hacking in 2002 and Earthlink’s lack of interest in enforcing their terms of service I switched over to BSD.<div><br></div><div>I occasionally use SUSE, Ubuntu and RHLE installations these days but I’m still a BSD user. Primarily because my machines don’t need GUIs. Then again, I’ve never been one to use the word “noob” for anything other than smoting when I played WOW and Halo.</div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:47 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr">I may have been mistaken because the laptop was 'dd' from a 64 bit image of Debian. A seperate machine. I do know that Debian is over my head as far as being a noob. Again I apologize for bothering anyone. I would like to learn a bit and thanks for helping.<br><br>Thank You.<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:43:04 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will Firefox 20.0 become obselete for basic use?<br><br><div dir="ltr">I have read from the responses so far.. Another question if I may is- how secure can a basic noob user like me 'depending on my x5070 printer' each day. Make the 2.6.--- kernel become more hardened? Can I install a newer version of Firefox on the Ubuntu Lucid-Lynx 10.04 running kernel 2.6.32-57-generic? A mechanic a bodyman can fix panels that are in a trash can and I can do that. So I understand that alot of work goes into building drivers for 'printers' and 'cups' is still a learning experience. I would like your help.<br><br>Thank You.<br><br><div>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:12:01 -0600<br>From: <a href="mailto:tclug@freakzilla.com">tclug@freakzilla.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will Firefox 20.0 become obselete for basic use?<br><br><pre>Sorry, no. That's like me saying "I'm a new driver maybe I should try <br>driving stick" and you suggesting I build an F-18 from scratch and then <br>drop off a cliff with it.<br> <br>I've been using Linux since before there were distributions, and there's a <br>reason I use Ubuntu. I can get it to do what I want WITHOUT wanting to <br>shoot myself.<br> <br>I've always thought Arch was interesting, and a bit ago decided to give it <br>a try. So I set up a VM, pointed it at the Arch installaiton medium and <br>watched it not even be able to get past it's own setup.<br> <br>You can be an extremely skilled Linux user (and UNIX admin) without ever <br>touching anything like Arch. It helps to know how to build your own stuff, <br>of course, and knowing the internals, but, again, that's like asking a <br>mechanic to manufacture parts themselves.<br> <br> <br>On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, David Wagle wrote:<br> <br>> Alternately, if you want to put in the work to not be a noob any longer, you<br>> could take the plunge into an Arch distribution. It's actually not as hard<br>> as it might seem at first, and you will be guaranteed to end up with the<br>> most efficient system you can build on that box :)<br>> <br>> <br>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:01 PM, David Wagle <<a href="mailto:david.wagle@gmail.com">david.wagle@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The issue with performance in Ubuntu is almost entirely due to<br>> the window manager and has really nothing to do with the other<br>> software versions. You can keep the core "ubuntu" elements the<br>> same and upgrade the rest of the software quite easily. <br>> Alternately, you can try something more lightweight -- Mint 16 with<br>> Xfce is basically Ubunutu with a a lightweight desktop. That's what I<br>> run on my daughter's very ancient Macbook and it's actually quite<br>> zippy<br>> <br>> <br>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:46 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> You know I dabbled a bit with OpenSUSE. I just don't have<br>> the experience with windows managers. I even set-up a<br>> sli-taz machine. I really need nothing off the computer<br>> but I like the fact that the 10.04 is so well documented ,<br>> yes I know it's old I guess it gives me a noober a sense<br>> of comfort somehow that I do just not get with the latest<br>> releases. The 'dd' command works fine for me. I even<br>> recently learned that in order to install Debian Wheezy<br>> 7.0 or whatnot I needed to partition the thumb drive for<br>> MS-Dos 16 not Fat32 to copy the image. Any reccomendations<br>> for a noob like me as far as a newer operating system on<br>> my laptop would be wonderful. Thank you for your time I<br>> wish I knew more.<br>><br>> Thank You.<br>><br>> > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:38:26 -0600<br>> > From: <a href="mailto:tclug@freakzilla.com">tclug@freakzilla.com</a><br>> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will Firefox 20.0 become<br>> obselete for basic use?<br>> ><br>> > I don't know that they'd remove a printer driver...<br>> ><br>> > I've been using Ubuntu for many years, but I've never<br>> used Gnome, Unity or<br>> > KDE (I use Window Maker, as I have since 1996!). I'm<br>> lead to believe you<br>> > can get the "Classic" Gnome on the newer Ubuntus. It was<br>> announced very<br>> > recently that they're turning back from that stupid<br>> integrated menubar<br>> > thing, too.<br>> ><br>> > If you have the resources to make a bit-by-bit copy of<br>> your harddrive, you<br>> > can always try upgrading and then downgrade back if you<br>> don't like it. I'd<br>> > say try a live install on a USB thumbdrive, but that<br>> will for SURE be<br>> > slow.<br>> ><br>> > On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, paul g wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > Yes, and thank you for asking. I am running this older<br>> version of Ubuntu on<br>> > > a Centrino Duo Laptop. I guess because I was so<br>> unimpressed with the 12.04<br>> > > performance on my old p4 tower. Also I have an older<br>> Lexmark x5070 printer<br>> > > that has a driver for the 10.04 Ubuntu. I don't like<br>> Gnome 3 maybe i'm just<br>> > > slow and I am not really used to KDE. Any suggestions<br>> would be wonderful.<br>> > ><br>> > > Thank You.<br>> > ><br>> > > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:24:28 -0600<br>> > > > From: <a href="mailto:tclug@freakzilla.com">tclug@freakzilla.com</a><br>> > > > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will Firefox 20.0 become<br>> obselete for basic use?<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Might be some small things that won't work, but in<br>> general you should be<br>> > > > fine.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Of course, as time goes on, those small things will<br>> get bigger and bigger.<br>> > > > Still, basic HTML with basic javascript should be<br>> fine for a long time. It<br>> > > > all depends on what kind of content you want.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > May I ask why you're running such an old version of<br>> Ubuntu?<br>> > > ><br>> > > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, paul g wrote:<br>> > > ><br>> > > > > For a basic home/office computer user running an<br>> older FireFox version<br>> > > say<br>> > > > > '20.0' under Ubuntu 10.04 etc '2.6.-- kernel' will<br>> new web pages and<br>> > > webpage<br>> > > > > design soon require the need for a later version<br>> of FireFox or Opera to<br>> > > > > 'surf' the web? Just a curious question I am a<br>> noob.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Thank You.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > ><br>> > > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> > > > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > > ><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>><br></pre><br>_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div><br>_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________
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