<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I started in the days of non-auto-fetching RPMs and RedHat 4.2 in 1999. After a hacking in 2002 and Earthlink’s lack of interest in enforcing their terms of service I switched over to BSD.<div><br></div><div>I occasionally use SUSE, Ubuntu and RHLE installations these days but I’m still a BSD user. Primarily because my machines don’t need GUIs. Then again, I’ve never been one to use the word “noob” for anything other than smoting when I played WOW and Halo.</div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:47 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr">I may have been mistaken because the laptop was 'dd' from a 64 bit image of Debian. A seperate machine. I do know that Debian is over my head as far as being a noob. Again I apologize for bothering anyone. I would like to learn a bit and thanks for helping.<br><br>Thank You.<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:43:04 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will Firefox 20.0 become obselete for basic use?<br><br><div dir="ltr">I have read from the responses so far.. Another question if I may is- how secure can a basic noob user like me 'depending on my x5070 printer' each day. Make the 2.6.--- kernel become more hardened? Can I install a newer version of Firefox on the Ubuntu Lucid-Lynx 10.04 running kernel 2.6.32-57-generic? A mechanic a bodyman can fix panels that are in a trash can and I can do that. So I understand that alot of work goes into building drivers for 'printers' and 'cups' is still a learning experience. I would like your help.<br><br>Thank You.<br><br><div>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:12:01 -0600<br>From: <a href="mailto:tclug@freakzilla.com">tclug@freakzilla.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will Firefox 20.0 become obselete for basic use?<br><br><pre>Sorry, no. That's like me saying "I'm a new driver maybe I should try <br>driving stick" and you suggesting I build an F-18 from scratch and then <br>drop off a cliff with it.<br> <br>I've been using Linux since before there were distributions, and there's a <br>reason I use Ubuntu. I can get it to do what I want WITHOUT wanting to <br>shoot myself.<br> <br>I've always thought Arch was interesting, and a bit ago decided to give it <br>a try. So I set up a VM, pointed it at the Arch installaiton medium and <br>watched it not even be able to get past it's own setup.<br> <br>You can be an extremely skilled Linux user (and UNIX admin) without ever <br>touching anything like Arch. It helps to know how to build your own stuff, <br>of course, and knowing the internals, but, again, that's like asking a <br>mechanic to manufacture parts themselves.<br> <br> <br>On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, David Wagle wrote:<br> <br>> Alternately, if you want to put in the work to not be a noob any longer, you<br>> could take the plunge into an Arch distribution. It's actually not as hard<br>> as it might seem at first, and you will be guaranteed to end up with the<br>> most efficient system you can build on that box :)<br>> <br>> <br>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:01 PM, David Wagle <<a href="mailto:david.wagle@gmail.com">david.wagle@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The issue with performance in Ubuntu is almost entirely due to<br>> the window manager and has really nothing to do with the other<br>> software versions. You can keep the core "ubuntu" elements the<br>> same and upgrade the rest of the software quite easily. <br>> Alternately, you can try something more lightweight -- Mint 16 with<br>> Xfce is basically Ubunutu with a a lightweight desktop. That's what I<br>> run on my daughter's very ancient Macbook and it's actually quite<br>> zippy<br>> <br>> <br>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:46 PM, paul g <<a href="mailto:pj.world@hotmail.com">pj.world@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> You know I dabbled a bit with OpenSUSE. I just don't have<br>> the experience with windows managers. I even set-up a<br>> sli-taz machine. I really need nothing off the computer<br>> but I like the fact that the 10.04 is so well documented ,<br>> yes I know it's old I guess it gives me a noober a sense<br>> of comfort somehow that I do just not get with the latest<br>> releases. The 'dd' command works fine for me. I even<br>> recently learned that in order to install Debian Wheezy<br>> 7.0 or whatnot I needed to partition the thumb drive for<br>> MS-Dos 16 not Fat32 to copy the image. Any reccomendations<br>> for a noob like me as far as a newer operating system on<br>> my laptop would be wonderful. Thank you for your time I<br>> wish I knew more.<br>><br>> Thank You.<br>><br>> > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:38:26 -0600<br>> > From: <a href="mailto:tclug@freakzilla.com">tclug@freakzilla.com</a><br>> > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will Firefox 20.0 become<br>> obselete for basic use?<br>> ><br>> > I don't know that they'd remove a printer driver...<br>> ><br>> > I've been using Ubuntu for many years, but I've never<br>> used Gnome, Unity or<br>> > KDE (I use Window Maker, as I have since 1996!). I'm<br>> lead to believe you<br>> > can get the "Classic" Gnome on the newer Ubuntus. It was<br>> announced very<br>> > recently that they're turning back from that stupid<br>> integrated menubar<br>> > thing, too.<br>> ><br>> > If you have the resources to make a bit-by-bit copy of<br>> your harddrive, you<br>> > can always try upgrading and then downgrade back if you<br>> don't like it. I'd<br>> > say try a live install on a USB thumbdrive, but that<br>> will for SURE be<br>> > slow.<br>> ><br>> > On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, paul g wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > Yes, and thank you for asking. I am running this older<br>> version of Ubuntu on<br>> > > a Centrino Duo Laptop. I guess because I was so<br>> unimpressed with the 12.04<br>> > > performance on my old p4 tower. Also I have an older<br>> Lexmark x5070 printer<br>> > > that has a driver for the 10.04 Ubuntu. I don't like<br>> Gnome 3 maybe i'm just<br>> > > slow and I am not really used to KDE. Any suggestions<br>> would be wonderful.<br>> > ><br>> > > Thank You.<br>> > ><br>> > > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:24:28 -0600<br>> > > > From: <a href="mailto:tclug@freakzilla.com">tclug@freakzilla.com</a><br>> > > > To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will Firefox 20.0 become<br>> obselete for basic use?<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Might be some small things that won't work, but in<br>> general you should be<br>> > > > fine.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Of course, as time goes on, those small things will<br>> get bigger and bigger.<br>> > > > Still, basic HTML with basic javascript should be<br>> fine for a long time. It<br>> > > > all depends on what kind of content you want.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > May I ask why you're running such an old version of<br>> Ubuntu?<br>> > > ><br>> > > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, paul g wrote:<br>> > > ><br>> > > > > For a basic home/office computer user running an<br>> older FireFox version<br>> > > say<br>> > > > > '20.0' under Ubuntu 10.04 etc '2.6.-- kernel' will<br>> new web pages and<br>> > > webpage<br>> > > > > design soon require the need for a later version<br>> of FireFox or Opera to<br>> > > > > 'surf' the web? Just a curious question I am a<br>> noob.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Thank You.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > ><br>> > > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> > > > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > > ><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> > <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> > <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>> <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>><br></pre><br>_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div><br>_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br><a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>