<div dir="ltr">You bet!<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Erik Mitchell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:erik.mitchell@gmail.com" target="_blank">erik.mitchell@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">@JeffJensen:<br>
Do you think Intertech would be willing to host a TCLUG meeting in<br>
early January? I'd like to propose electing officers, setting goals<br>
for the year, and giving the group a purpose.<br>
<br>
I really appreciate Rick's email. It makes me realize that being a<br>
group gives us an opportunity, that we have been failing to seize, and<br>
that we also have a responsibility to our community. There is a lot we<br>
could do if we worked together to reach out to a younger generation,<br>
and I think it would be a great thing for the group to do.<br>
<br>
One of the items for the agenda would be email list moderation. Who?<br>
How? What are the rules?<br>
<br>
Thoughts?<br>
<br>
-Erik<br>
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Erik Anderson <<a href="mailto:erikerik@gmail.com">erikerik@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Erik Mitchell <<a href="mailto:erik.mitchell@gmail.com">erik.mitchell@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> It's not really doing much harm, in my opinion, and to the extent that<br>
>> it is, I think a person who is a moderator could email someone<br>
>> off-list and ask them to stop, and if they don't, then ban them from<br>
>> the list, or take away privileges, or whatever.<br>
><br>
><br>
> It's about respect - both of the individuals on this list and the purpose of<br>
> the list itself. No one likes being preached at, and especially not within<br>
> the context of technical conversation. There are indeed places where<br>
> preaching/ranting/whatever are appropriate. Technical mailing lists are not<br>
> one of those places.<br>
><br>
> Agreed, though, I would be perfectly happy if a mod would reach out to<br>
> people personally - that's exactly what should happen. We just haven't heard<br>
> anything, which communicates implicitly that off-topic, divisive behavior is<br>
> tolerated.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> I'd prefer to err on the side of inclusion. This isn't an IEEE mailing<br>
>> list, it's a LUG mailing list. A small one at that, for a group that<br>
>> hardly ever meets, and when it does, it meets for beer. I'm actually<br>
>> less annoyed by trolling than I am at seeing experienced interneters<br>
>> feeding the trolls*, and then getting mad that their inbox is being<br>
>> flooded with nonsense.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I think we're all perfectly capable of ignoring trolls. It's an essential<br>
> skill. That doesn't mean that trolling is an acceptable behavior, or that<br>
> which should be allowed.<br>
><br>
> I've been in far too many communities, technical and otherwise, where<br>
> off-topic, disrespectful behavior was tolerated and in *every* instance, the<br>
> community disintegrated. I don't want that for TCLUG. I want to attract<br>
> *more* people here, but with the current drama level, no one in their right<br>
> mind is going to sign up to be preached at regularly. There are plenty of<br>
> other well-run mailing lists, forums, etc. where they can go.<br>
><br>
> I was actually somewhat saddened while talking to people at the AWS<br>
> re:Invent conference a few weeks ago. I would mention that I'm from the Twin<br>
> Cities, and they'd ask how the technical community is in this area. I<br>
> explained that we have a *lot* of technical folks here, both on the software<br>
> development side as well as the sysadmin/operations side, but that the<br>
> opportunities to gather and exchange ideas are few and far between. I would<br>
> absolutely *love* to see TCLUG (and other local groups like it) flourish.<br>
> One key thing that will help this happen is indeed to cut out (as much as<br>
> possible) discussion and/or members that will alienate people. Cripes,<br>
> perhaps I'm one of those, and if so then so be it. I'd hope that's not the<br>
> case, though.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps enough of us care that we should reassign responsibilities to<br>
>> people who might be interested in more active leadership? Should we<br>
>> have a new group of moderators? Should we elect a new<br>
>> president/supreme ruler?<br>
><br>
><br>
> +1. I'd at least like to hear who is on the mod list currently. If those<br>
> people are not actively involved on the list, then things should be switched<br>
> up.<br>
><br>
> -Erik<br>
><br>
><br>
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