<div id="_htmlarea_default_style_" style="font:10pt arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Greed/power/control is desired by people
everywhere in every role -
government, private business, and public sector. If you think giving government
that power will save you from greed/ruinationt/et al, we extremely part
ways.<br><br>However, before you have those errant conclusions, you really should learn what caused problems like those
you generically cite. By your statements, I infer, for example, you are not aware of the government monetary
policies in effect since the 70's that was a huge root cause. It wasn't the free market at fault at all, it was
government policies/laws that forced and encouraged behavior and practices. The free market didn't crash, it was
more failed government policies - usually unanticipated effects from the well-intentioned naive.<br><br>And Greenspan
was not a free market guy - the Fed Reserve is a manipulator, and they regularly mess up too.<br><br>While fun to argue
this (I always look forward to learning things), it is way off TCLUG topic...<br><br><br>On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:49:07
-0500<br> Tom Poe <tompoe@meltel.net> wrote:<br>> Jeff Jensen wrote:<br>>> No, I don't want the
government messing up more things. <br>>> Its policies <br>>> create more problems than they
solve.<br>>><br>>> The free market will take care of this issue better than <br>>>anything.<br>>><br>>><br>>>
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:30:15 -0500<br>>> Tom Poe <tompoe@meltel.net> wrote:<br>>> > Jeff Jensen
wrote:<br>>> >> I agree.<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010
10:41:14 -0500<br>>> >> Harry Penner <hpenner@gmail.com> wrote:<br>>> >><br>>>
>>> At the risk of flames: the Internet as we know it <br>>>has<br>>> >>> flourished
in<br>>> >>> large part because its original sponsor, the federal<br>>> >>> government,
has<br>>> >>> mostly left it alone. Why do we think adding <br>>>government<br>>>
>>> regulations<br>>> >>> to it will make it better (or preserve the freedom
<br>>>we<br>>> >>> enjoy on it)?<br>>> >>> Generally speaking, doesn't regulation
take away <br>>>freedom<br>>> >>> rather than<br>>> >>> increasing it, by
definition? I'm no futurist but it<br>>> >>> seems to me that<br>>> >>> putting
restrictions on the big guys is likely to <br>>>affect<br>>> >>> us little<br>>> >>>
guys in some unforeseen but unpleasant way.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Sorry if the above sounds
trollish but I just think <br>>>we<br>>> >>> should be<br>>> >>> careful what we ask
for. With companies you can<br>>> >>> usually vote with<br>>> >>> your feet to try to
change or avoid their bad <br>>>behavior,<br>>> >>> but<br>>> >>> regulations are
usually universal and forever... And<br>>> >>> the regs will<br>>> >>> surely by written
by people not nearly as close to <br>>>or as<br>>> >>> thoughtful<br>>> >>> about
the problem as we tclug'ers...<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Seems to me we ought to show up and
tell the FCC to <br>>>keep<br>>> >>> their paws off us.<br>>> >>><br>>>
>>> -Harry<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 9:52, Brian
<br>>><goeko@Goecke-Dolan.com><br>>> >>> wrote:<br>>> >>><br>>>
>>><br>>> >>>> There will be a hearing on the Net Neutrality here <br>>>in<br>>>
>>>> the Twin Cities.<br>>> >>>><br>>> >>>><br>>> >>>>
http://savetheinternet.com/mnhearing<br>>> >>>><br>>> >>>><br>>>
>>>> I am not associated with this, just thought people <br>>>would<br>>> >>>> be
interested<br>>> >>>> to know.<br>>> >>>><br>>> >>>>
==>brian.<br>>> >>>><br>>> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, <br>>>Minnesota<br>>> >>>>
tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>>> >>>> <br>>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<br>>>
>>>><br>>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>>> >>> TCLUG
Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>>> >>> tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>>> >>>
<br>>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<br>>> >>><br>>>
>>><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> _______________________________________________<br>>>
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>>> >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org<br>>>
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>><br>>> > Really? You want corporations to control the content<br>>> >you have access
to<br>>> > on the Internet?<br>>> > Tom<br>>> ><br>>> >
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<br>> Well, Jeff: This is where we part ways. Your free <br>>market crashed and <br>> the global economy is
in ruins, as a result. Your chief <br>>architect, <br>> Greenspan, apologized for not realizing the free market
<br>>won't police <br>> itself, and pure greed would cause ruination, rather <br>>than moderation. <br>>
You're welcome to your beliefs, but if you think the <br>>owners of our <br>> airwaves are going to let corporate
greed control our <br>>airwaves, you're <br>> fighting a whole lot of the world population.<br>> Tom<br>>
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