<div id="_htmlarea_default_style_" style="font:10pt arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Then change providers. Your
freedom allows you to.<br><br><br>On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:40:24 -0500<br> Tom Poe <tompoe@meltel.net>
wrote:<br>> Ryan Coleman wrote:<br>>> I found the guy pushing regulation (or in this case, <br>>>making
the unofficial stance official) today on MPR was <br>>>way off base.<br>>><br>>> He said that an
independent blogger would have no voice <br>>>without paying money in the proposal by Google and
<br>>>Verizon. In my experience, this is not true; they just <br>>>won't reap the benefits of people getting
their content <br>>>at the speed which their provider provides.<br>>><br>>> I can afford a
12Mbit/2Mbit line at home now. Cheaper <br>>>than colocation of my custom server (capacity right now
<br>>>of 7TB, soon 14TB) because I don't have $15,000 to spend <br>>>on the rack space requirements for the
servers plus the <br>>>monthly colocation costs for 2U to 8U of space.<br>>><br>>> My two
bits.<br>>> --<br>>> Ryan<br>>><br>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Erik Mitchell
wrote:<br>>><br>>> <br>>>> Harry, I think that's a very important point to make.
<br>>>>There was a<br>>>> diary on DailyKos about the recent dustup over the
<br>>>>Google/Verizon<br>>>> story:<br>>>><br>>>> http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/8/12/892044/-End-of-the-Internet-As-We-Know-It!<br>>>><br>>>>
In short, it was broadly misreported by folks on the <br>>>>left. The story<br>>>> looked on the
surface like a big corporations doing evil <br>>>>things story<br>>>> and so it got reported that
way.<br>>>><br>>>> In the process, the concept of net neutrality became <br>>>>redefined.
Media<br>>>> outlets were defining it as saying that different <br>>>>content TYPES
should<br>>>> be treated equally, rather than different content <br>>>>providers.<br>>>>
Obviously, if this definition of net neutrality took <br>>>>hold, it would be<br>>>> bad -- especially
in wireless. If you have a minute, <br>>>>read the diary.<br>>>> The dkos guy does a better job of
explaining it than I <br>>>>can.<br>>>><br>>>> My hope is that there are people at this
hearing that <br>>>>know what<br>>>> they're talking about, who will stand up and make a good
<br>>>>case. I don't<br>>>> think more regulation on the internet would be a good
<br>>>>thing. However,<br>>>> I support net neutrality, in that every person's or
<br>>>>company's data<br>>>> should get the same priority as anyone else's (given the
<br>>>>same type of<br>>>> content).<br>>>><br>>>> Anyway, it's a tough issue to get
your head around, <br>>>>especially for the<br>>>> layperson. And unfortunately, Congress is full of
<br>>>>laypeople.<br>>>><br>>>> Long live Ted Stevens,<br>>>><br>>>>
-Erik<br>>>><br>>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Harry Penner <br>>>><hpenner@gmail.com>
wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>>> At the risk of flames: the Internet as we know it has
<br>>>>>flourished in<br>>>>> large part because its original sponsor, the federal
<br>>>>>government, has<br>>>>> mostly left it alone. Why do we think adding government
<br>>>>>regulations<br>>>>> to it will make it better (or preserve the freedom we
<br>>>>>enjoy on it)?<br>>>>> Generally speaking, doesn't regulation take away freedom
<br>>>>>rather than<br>>>>> increasing it, by definition? I'm no futurist but it
<br>>>>>seems to me that<br>>>>> putting restrictions on the big guys is likely to affect
<br>>>>>us little<br>>>>> guys in some unforeseen but unpleasant way.<br>>>>><br>>>>>
Sorry if the above sounds trollish but I just think we <br>>>>>should be<br>>>>> careful what we
ask for. With companies you can <br>>>>>usually vote with<br>>>>> your feet to try to change
or avoid their bad behavior, <br>>>>>but<br>>>>> regulations are usually universal and
forever... And <br>>>>>the regs will<br>>>>> surely by written by people not nearly as close to
or as <br>>>>>thoughtful<br>>>>> about the problem as we tclug'ers...<br>>>>><br>>>>>
Seems to me we ought to show up and tell the FCC to keep <br>>>>>their paws off
us.<br>>>>><br>>>>> -Harry<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 9:52,
Brian <goeko@Goecke-Dolan.com> <br>>>>>wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>
<br>>>>>> There will be a hearing on the Net Neutrality here in <br>>>>>>the Twin
Cities.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> http://savetheinternet.com/mnhearing<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>>
I am not associated with this, just thought people would <br>>>>>>be interested<br>>>>>>
to know.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> ==>brian.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>
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<br>> Comcast effectively blocked content, using your logic, <br>>Erik. This issue <br>> is about access to
the Internet, without providers <br>>inserting themselves <br>> between you and the content. Providers need to
focus on <br>>transmission, <br>> not engage in selective censoring of what you and I want <br>>to see, hear,
<br>> or communicate. The FCC needs to, at this point, <br>>reassign the Internet <br>> in order to limit the
role of providers to that of <br>>transmission, rather <br>> than engage in services preferences activities.
Think <br>>of the issue as <br>> one of: do we want the Internet to look like cable <br>>companies deciding
<br>> what channels we receive for our Internet access fees?<br>> Tom<br>> <br>>
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