<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I ran this one: <a href="http://minneapolis.speedtest.qwest.net/">http://minneapolis.speedtest.qwest.net/</a><div><br></div><div>Which was what the technician ran that gave me the 16Mbps speed. As you can see in the data block there is only one other test provider that got that high: <a href="http://auditmypc.com">auditmypc.com</a>. </div><div><br></div><div><b>Comcast speeds</b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><b> </b></span><b><br></b>Site<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<br>Speedtest<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>22.01<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.66<br>Speakeasy<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>5.10<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.62<br>bandwidthpalce<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>12.23<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.35<br>auditmypc<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>20.87<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.51<br>internetfrog<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>5.09<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.53<br>DSLreports<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>22.15<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.55<br><a href="http://toast.net">toast.net</a><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.56<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NA<br>visualware.com<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>9.37<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.58<br>testinternetspeed<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.71<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.02<br>whatsmyip.com<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>20.67<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.46<br><b>AVG</b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><b> </b></span><b>12.38</b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><b> </b></span><b>2.48</b></div><div><b><div style="font-weight: normal; "><b>Qwest SpeedTest</b></div><div style="font-weight: normal; "><b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>24.89<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>2.505</b></div><div style="font-weight: normal; "><b>Diff<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>-12.61<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>-0.25</b></div><div style="font-weight: normal; "><b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>-50.6%<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>-0.99</b><b>% speed loss.</b></div></b></div><div><br></div><div><b>Qwest speeds</b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><b> </b></span><b><br></b>Site<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<br>Speedtest<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.59<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.72<br>Speakeasy<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.17<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.73<br>bandwidthpalce<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.67<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.70<br><i>auditmypc</i><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><i> </i></span><i>18.26</i><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><i> </i></span><i>0.76</i><br>internetfrog<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.80<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.60<br>DSLreports<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.88<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.69<br><a href="http://toast.net">toast.net</a><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.75<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NA<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br>visualware.com<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.09<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.72<br>testinternetspeed<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.88<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.70<br>whatsmyip.com<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>6.62<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.71<br><b>AVG</b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><b> </b></span><b>4.27</b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><b> </b></span><b>0.70</b></div><div><b>Qwest SpeedTest</b></div><div><b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>16.64<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.78</b></div><div><b>Diff<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-12.37<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-0.08</b></div><div><b><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-74.3%<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-10.3% speed loss.</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div>I hope this is more legible for you guys... I know the Comcast does "speed boost" bursting which can account for some of the fluctuation, but the DSL should be a steady, consistent speed.</div><div><br></div><div>There was nothing else plugged into the DSL or Phone system except for the modem itself. It's not a perfect experiment - that would be a reboot of each system and waiting 30 minutes between tests, something that with 10 downloads to test would have taken days to complete.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Ryan</div><div><b><br></b></div><div>P.S. Nate - I know about overhead, even giving them 30-35% just to be nice; I've been a network technician for years in Windows, Mac and various flavors of *nix for the last ten years, and I was an early adopter of DSL in 1999. This is more a showing people my experiences with their "FIOS" connection which is a false advertising lead, IMHO, and fails to inform the consumer that the upload speeds are NOT proportional to the download speed. </div><div><br></div><div>P.P.S. I ran the internet connection at my "office" aka cafe I like and they get 38.23 Mbit down and 7 Mbit up. Consistently.</div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b><br></b><div><div>On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Nate Carlson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>which speedtest engine is faulty?<br><br>The rates that the providers quote for speeds (for ADSL at least) are the <br>maximum rates that your line can sync up at. You may be sync'ing at that <br>speed, or at lower speeds (your DSL modem/router should be able to show <br>those stats.) Because of overheads, you will never get the exact speed <br>they advertise - it will be slightly lower.. if you read the fine print it <br>generally states that the speeds are maximum, not guaranteed, etc.<br><br>I do agree that it looks like you are getting horrible speeds with Qwest - <br>it could be a number of factors (ie, poor line conditions on your end, a <br>dslam without enough backhaul connectivity, oversold connectivty at <br><a href="http://Qwest.net">Qwest.net</a>, etc); you could try a different ISP if you want to keep DSL <br>(since you are on an ADSL tier you can pick your ISP), which would <br>eliminate <a href="http://Qwest.net">Qwest.net</a> from the picture.. but from my view if you are happy <br>with cable then keep it! :)<br><br>On Sat, 17 Jul 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">All of this is BEYOND my point: Their speedtest engine is faulty. It <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">claims speeds that it is *not* producing.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I checked my cable line and the DSL line against a number of other test <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">providers, here are the results:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Speedtest<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Speakeasy<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>bandwidthplace<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://auditmypc.com">auditmypc.com</a><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>internetfrog<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>DSLreports<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>toast.net<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>visualware.com<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>testinternetspeed<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>whatsmyip.com<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Down<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Up<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Qwest<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.59<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.72<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.17<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.73<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.67<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.70<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>18.26<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.76<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.80<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.60<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.88<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.69<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.75<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">2.09<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.72<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.88<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.70<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>6.62<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0.71<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Comcast<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>22.01<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.66<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>5.10<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.62<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>12.23<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.35<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>20.87<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.51<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>5.09<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.53<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>22.15<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.55<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.56<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">9.37<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.58<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.71<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.02<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>20.67<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.46<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">All speeds are reported in Megabits (Mbps), some are calculated from Kilobits per second.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Ryan<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 17, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Nate Carlson wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Just a bit of clarification - 20mb/896kbps is *not* FIOS - Qwest<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">advertises this as "Fiber optic fast", but what it really means is that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">they run fiber to the DSLAM that serves your line. 20mbit/896kbit is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ADSL2+.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Qwest does offer VDSL in certain parts of the metro, which is available at<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">speeds of 40mbit/20mbit, 40mbit/5mbit, and also adds a 5mbit upstream<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">option to 20mbit, 12mbit, and 7mbit tiers. If you got 896k upstream,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">however, you are ADSL2+, not VDSL.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">As far as I know Qwest does not have any plans to roll out a real<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">fiber-to-the-home option - it's all fiber to the 'neighborhood' with<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">various technologies running over copper to deliver the service.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(Of course, Qwest does offer fiber services to businesses, but it's quite<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a bit more money than we're talking for DSL.. *grin*)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">20Mbit. Which comes with an unreported upload cap of 896Kbps.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But I'm probably calling them on Monday to tell them to pick everything up and take it back; Ran my own speed test through <a href="http://speedtest.net">speedtest.net</a> and the reported download speed was 3.2-4.5 Mbps. Same website on my cable modem reported 25+ Mbps on download.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ryan<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Donovan wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Ryan Coleman <<a href="mailto:ryanjcole@me.com">ryanjcole@me.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'll probably only end up cutting one of the two cable internet lines into my apartment...<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">16Mbit download -- pretty nice<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">600Kbit upload -- not so nice<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ran a speed test on our "public" cable line at home and got 30Mbit down and 3Mbit up.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Setting up a static IP on the Qwest website appears to be nearly impossible, that's a shock.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ryan<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">TCLUG Mailing List - 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