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1. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Mike Miller)<br>
2. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Robert Nesius)<br>
3. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Ryan Coleman)<br>
4. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Mr. MailingLists)<br>
5. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Chuck Cole)<br>
6. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Andy Schmid)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:16:08 -0600 (CST)<br>
From: Mike Miller <<a href="mailto:mbmiller%2Bl@gmail.com">mbmiller+l@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn<br>
To: TCLUG List <<a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a>><br>
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Mr. MailingLists wrote:<br>
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> I have a rather strong aversion towards all social networking sites. I<br>
> feel that it is a security risk I would rather not ever have to deal<br>
> with.<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Mr. Mailinglists:<br>
<br>
By using your true name you have made it possible for some crazed killer<br>
to see you on TCLUG and hunt you down and kill you. You can never be too<br>
cautious in this world, which is why I have a massive stockpile of<br>
extremely dangerous loaded weapons adorning the walls of my home. I<br>
suggest that you get a fake name and a lot of guns if you want to be<br>
secure.<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:20:02 -0600<br>
From: Robert Nesius <<a href="mailto:nesius@gmail.com">nesius@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn<br>
To: Andy Schmid <<a href="mailto:andyschmid@gmail.com">andyschmid@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: tclug-list <<a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a>><br>
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While the criticisms lobbied at LinkedIn have some merit, I don't think they<br>
qualify as condemnations leading to a conclusion of zero-value-proposition.<br>
I use it, first and foremost, to stay linked to past colleagues and<br>
coworkers, and to that end it has been very effective.<br>
<br>
Other people have different agendas for using (abusing?) the system, that's<br>
certainly true. So your mileage may vary - for me it's been just fine.<br>
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-Rob<br>
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Andy Schmid <<a href="mailto:andyschmid@gmail.com">andyschmid@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> It may suck, but if it can help me find a job when I'm out of work ... it<br>
> is at minimum in the 'useful' category.<br>
><br>
> -Andy<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Justin Kremer <<a href="mailto:justin.kremer@gmail.com">justin.kremer@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Joel Dick <<a href="mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com">joel_cd@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Dare I ask why people don't like Linkedin? Just wondering, as a few<br>
>> people have recommended that I sign up there, that it's good for job<br>
>> networking.<br>
>><br>
>> It claims to give you a "network of trust" or some other word for<br>
>> trustworthy businesspeople you know, but it is mostly just a<br>
>> popularity contest like Facebook for business people who are too good<br>
>> for Facebook. People add contacts that they've never met in person<br>
>> regularly, defeating any semblance of this network of trust that<br>
>> Linkedin is supposed to provide.<br>
>> And when you sign up, it asks you for your e-mail password so that it<br>
>> can try to spam everyone in your contacts, which would be how that<br>
>> e-mail got sent to this mailing list.<br>
>> I know for a fact that I have a whole lot of people in my e-mail<br>
>> contact list who I would not consider to be someone I trust, not<br>
>> necessarily because the person is not trustworthy, but because I don't<br>
>> know them well enough to vouch for them.<br>
>> - Justin<br>
>><br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:31:03 -0600<br>
From: Ryan Coleman <<a href="mailto:ryanjcole@me.com">ryanjcole@me.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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I second Rob's statement.<br>
<br>
I have Facebook for me. I keep LinkedIn for people here, out there and to maintain the connection to family members that are in the same or similar industries as mine. And there's no one on there that I don't know or haven't met with the minor exception of the occasional TCPHP member that I've been "connected" to for a number of years through there.<br>
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--<br>
Ryan<br>
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On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Robert Nesius wrote:<br>
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> While the criticisms lobbied at LinkedIn have some merit, I don't think they qualify as condemnations leading to a conclusion of zero-value-proposition. I use it, first and foremost, to stay linked to past colleagues and coworkers, and to that end it has been very effective.<br>
><br>
> Other people have different agendas for using (abusing?) the system, that's certainly true. So your mileage may vary - for me it's been just fine.<br>
><br>
> -Rob<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:54:18 -0600<br>
From: "Mr. MailingLists" <<a href="mailto:mailinglists@soul-dev.com">mailinglists@soul-dev.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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On 1/14/2010 12:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote:<br>
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Mr. MailingLists wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I have a rather strong aversion towards all social networking sites. I<br>
>> feel that it is a security risk I would rather not ever have to deal<br>
>> with.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Mr. Mailinglists:<br>
><br>
> By using your true name you have made it possible for some crazed killer<br>
> to see you on TCLUG and hunt you down and kill you. You can never be too<br>
> cautious in this world, which is why I have a massive stockpile of<br>
> extremely dangerous loaded weapons adorning the walls of my home. I<br>
> suggest that you get a fake name and a lot of guns if you want to be<br>
> secure.<br>
><br>
> Mike<br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota<br>
> <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list" target="_blank">http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list</a><br>
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That only would secure me physically whilst I was home. Whats stopping<br>
someone from killing me if I left the house? Walking the dog? At work?<br>
There are trade offs and insecurity in life, I do accept that.<br>
<br>
The internet can be a scary place, in fact it is. I like to control what<br>
information about me is on the internet/someone else's system, where it<br>
could be compromised. Information stored on such social networking sites<br>
can be of a personal nature (as far as linkedin resumes, contacts,<br>
etc..) and I sure don't want Jonnie China to somehow through a<br>
compromised account, or XSS, or password brute, or, or, or....<br>
<br>
I'm sure it would be rather funny to have your potential employer come<br>
across your compimised linkedin account and see "LOLDONGS" posted all<br>
over it.<br>
<br>
Granted the likeliness is extremely small, but there is a chance. Same<br>
goes for Facebook (privacy settings may change at any given time >> EULA).<br>
<br>
I still love me some good internet/Linux, I just choose to avoid social<br>
networking, security is a bit of a passion of mine.<br>
<br>
BTW, anyone sec folks going to DEFCON 18 this year?<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:04:49 -0600<br>
From: "Chuck Cole" <<a href="mailto:cncole@earthlink.net">cncole@earthlink.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn<br>
To: "Andy Schmid" <<a href="mailto:andyschmid@gmail.com">andyschmid@gmail.com</a>>, "Justin Kremer"<br>
<<a href="mailto:justin.kremer@gmail.com">justin.kremer@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: tclug-list <<a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a>><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLAEFIDAAA.cncole@earthlink.net">KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLAEFIDAAA.cncole@earthlink.net</a>><br>
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Better to use a real job-seeking function like Indeed.com that won't spam everybody and invite makware attacks on your system. My<br>
ISP frequently stops bad trojans and malware from the social cesspools (Linkedin, Facebook, Twitter) and notifies me of their<br>
attempt. This dominant aspect of Linkedin (et al) is NOT "useful" to me!<br>
<br>
Indeed is like Google for jobs. Nothing else is as good or better. Finding a job listing it doesn't have is difficult. Their<br>
search feature is better than others, and one syntax searches all listing, allowing interesting ones to be saved for follow-up.<br>
<br>
Linkedin is not first and foremost a job seeking function. When a Linkedin job is listed on Indeed, one can go to the company site<br>
and not use Linkedin at all.<br>
<br>
Chuck<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org">tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org">tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org</a>]On Behalf Of Andy Schmid<br>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:56 AM<br>
To: Justin Kremer<br>
Cc: tclug-list<br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn<br>
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<br>
It may suck, but if it can help me find a job when I'm out of work ... it is at minimum in the 'useful' category.<br>
<br>
-Andy<br>
<br>
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Justin Kremer <<a href="mailto:justin.kremer@gmail.com">justin.kremer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Joel Dick <<a href="mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com">joel_cd@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dare I ask why people don't like Linkedin? Just wondering, as a few people have recommended that I sign up there, that it's<br>
good for job networking.<br>
<br>
<br>
It claims to give you a "network of trust" or some other word for<br>
trustworthy businesspeople you know, but it is mostly just a<br>
popularity contest like Facebook for business people who are too good<br>
for Facebook. People add contacts that they've never met in person<br>
regularly, defeating any semblance of this network of trust that<br>
Linkedin is supposed to provide.<br>
And when you sign up, it asks you for your e-mail password so that it<br>
can try to spam everyone in your contacts, which would be how that<br>
e-mail got sent to this mailing list.<br>
I know for a fact that I have a whole lot of people in my e-mail<br>
contact list who I would not consider to be someone I trust, not<br>
necessarily because the person is not trustworthy, but because I don't<br>
know them well enough to vouch for them.<br>
- Justin<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:27:31 -0600<br>
From: Andy Schmid <<a href="mailto:andyschmid@gmail.com">andyschmid@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn<br>
To: Chuck Cole <<a href="mailto:cncole@earthlink.net">cncole@earthlink.net</a>><br>
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I've never heard of Indeed, thanks for the tip. I have not had the same<br>
poor experience with linkedin. I have been contacted by recruiters from<br>
some pretty big companies who found me via linkedin through my listed<br>
experience and contacts. It may not work for everyone, but it has worked<br>
for me.<br>
<br>
I hardly ever get spam from linkedin (aside from job inquiries, which is the<br>
whole point of it IMO), and linkedin will not spam your friends unless you<br>
tell it to. I also have not run into any trojans or viruses from the site.<br>
<br>
I don't see much difference from putting up your resume on a website like<br>
<a href="http://monster.com" target="_blank">monster.com</a>, and putting it up on linkedin. To say LinkedIn is not a job<br>
seeking utility is a bit off the radar.<br>
<br>
-Andy<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Chuck Cole <<a href="mailto:cncole@earthlink.net">cncole@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Better to use a real job-seeking function like Indeed.com that won't spam<br>
> everybody and invite makware attacks on your system. My ISP frequently<br>
> stops bad trojans and malware from the social cesspools (Linkedin, Facebook,<br>
> Twitter) and notifies me of their attempt. This dominant aspect of Linkedin<br>
> (et al) is NOT "useful" to me!<br>
><br>
> Indeed is like Google for jobs. Nothing else is as good or better.<br>
> Finding a job listing it doesn't have is difficult. Their search feature is<br>
> better than others, and one syntax searches all listing, allowing<br>
> interesting ones to be saved for follow-up.<br>
><br>
> Linkedin is not first and foremost a job seeking function. When a Linkedin<br>
> job is listed on Indeed, one can go to the company site and not use Linkedin<br>
> at all.<br>
><br>
> Chuck<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> *From:* <a href="mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org">tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org</a> [mailto:<br>
> <a href="mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org">tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org</a>]*On Behalf Of *Andy Schmid<br>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:56 AM<br>
> *To:* Justin Kremer<br>
> *Cc:* tclug-list<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn<br>
><br>
> It may suck, but if it can help me find a job when I'm out of work ... it<br>
> is at minimum in the 'useful' category.<br>
><br>
> -Andy<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Justin Kremer <<a href="mailto:justin.kremer@gmail.com">justin.kremer@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Joel Dick <<a href="mailto:joel_cd@yahoo.com">joel_cd@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Dare I ask why people don't like Linkedin? Just wondering, as a few<br>
>> people have recommended that I sign up there, that it's good for job<br>
>> networking.<br>
>><br>
>> It claims to give you a "network of trust" or some other word for<br>
>> trustworthy businesspeople you know, but it is mostly just a<br>
>> popularity contest like Facebook for business people who are too good<br>
>> for Facebook. People add contacts that they've never met in person<br>
>> regularly, defeating any semblance of this network of trust that<br>
>> Linkedin is supposed to provide.<br>
>> And when you sign up, it asks you for your e-mail password so that it<br>
>> can try to spam everyone in your contacts, which would be how that<br>
>> e-mail got sent to this mailing list.<br>
>> I know for a fact that I have a whole lot of people in my e-mail<br>
>> contact list who I would not consider to be someone I trust, not<br>
>> necessarily because the person is not trustworthy, but because I don't<br>
>> know them well enough to vouch for them.<br>
>> - Justin<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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