I am looking at moving my service to Visi and bundle it with Qwest. The main reason is, though I have yet to be effected by this, I am dabbling more with linux and unix in my spare time and will eventually be finishing a server that I would like to actually use on the internet with out having my service locked down, because of port restrictions. <br>
<br>My question to TCLUG, is... Has anyone heard or experanced isseus with Visi & or Qwest? I do live in Downtown St.Paul (Actually 4 blocks from the visi data center), so I am figuring that I'm kinda trapped for ISP's on the cable side of things.<br>
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1. Re: comcast strikes another (Curtis Griesel)<br>
2. Re: comcast strikes another (Larry R. Pint)<br>
3. Re: comcast strikes another (Scott Dier)<br>
4. Re: comcast strikes another (Curtis Griesel)<br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:59:43 -0600<br>
From: Curtis Griesel <<a href="mailto:cwgriesel@gmail.com">cwgriesel@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] comcast strikes another<br>
To: Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>>, TCLUG List <<a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a>><br>
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Do you know about some secret plan that is not advertised somewhere?<br>
<br>
Go to <a href="http://www.comcast.com" target="_blank">www.comcast.com</a>, click on Shop / High-speed internet, type in 8601<br>
Thomas Ave S, 55431, which is my block in Bloomington, and you will see that<br>
the cheapest package is $45 per month, but that requires a $15 per month<br>
cable TV subscription. If you try to order it without cable service they<br>
charge you $60 per month. I know, because that is what I pay. I don't<br>
watch TV so the cable TV is irrelevant for me -- I have to pay $60 per month<br>
for marginal broadband service. And I have to struggle to keep it at $60<br>
per month because everytime I call Comcast, even for a minor question, they<br>
try to upsell me to a more expensive package.<br>
<br>
If there is some secret promotional code get broadband for $25 per month on<br>
my block, please let me know. For now, I'm under the thumb of the<br>
Comcast/Bloomington City broadband monopoly.<br>
<br>
Curits<br>
<br>
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Residential service is available for less than $60 a month without video,<br>
> there is a 1mbps/384k tier available. I believe its ~$25/mo.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Curtis Griesel <<a href="mailto:cwgriesel@gmail.com">cwgriesel@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> We can't get DSL in my area of Bloomington because the phone<br>
>> infrastructure is too old. Comcast has a monopoly on broadband service, and<br>
>> residential service starts at $60 per month. Of course this is not all<br>
>> Comcast's fault, the city council could take a little leadership on<br>
>> broadband access for Bloomington. But I suspect the city is in cahoots with<br>
>> Comcast because they get their community-access cable services and<br>
>> infrastructure from Comcast. I wonder what other benefits the council gets<br>
>> from Comcast that they make us continue to pay Comcast $60 per month for<br>
>> their marginal internet services, but that's the state of affairs right now.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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> --<br>
> Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>><br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:23:18 -0600<br>
From: "Larry R. Pint" <<a href="mailto:Larry.Pint@ntuminc.com">Larry.Pint@ntuminc.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] comcast strikes another<br>
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I was involved in bring cable to New Prague many years ago.<br>
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In addition to granting the city one or more channels for their own use<br>
(it costs the cable company little or nothing to do this), the cable<br>
service provider normally pays the city a franchise fee. It's probably<br>
listed seperatly on your monthly bill.<br>
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It may also pay a fee for use of any utility poles that it uses for it's<br>
cabling throughout the city.<br>
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Larry<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org">tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org</a>] On Behalf Of Curtis Griesel<br>
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We can't get DSL in my area of Bloomington because the phone<br>
infrastructure is too old. Comcast has a monopoly on broadband service,<br>
and residential service starts at $60 per month. Of course this is not<br>
all Comcast's fault, the city council could take a little leadership on<br>
broadband access for Bloomington. But I suspect the city is in cahoots<br>
with Comcast because they get their community-access cable services and<br>
infrastructure from Comcast. I wonder what other benefits the council<br>
gets from Comcast that they make us continue to pay Comcast $60 per<br>
month for their marginal internet services, but that's the state of<br>
affairs right now.<br>
<br>
Curtis<br>
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Justin Krejci <<a href="mailto:jus@krytosvirus.com">jus@krytosvirus.com</a>><br>
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> I believe that they lie to customers about their policies. They offer<br>
a<br>
> service that they do not provide. They also increased my monthly fees<br>
> quite massively in the past few years. Maybe the service got faster,<br>
but<br>
> I didn't care. I'd rather have it slower and pay less, but they<br>
didnt'<br>
> ask. So of course I am seeking other providers.<br>
<br>
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DSL - slower but cheaper plus you have a wider choice of ISP in most<br>
areas.<br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:56:57 -0600<br>
From: Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] comcast strikes another<br>
To: Curtis Griesel <<a href="mailto:cwgriesel@gmail.com">cwgriesel@gmail.com</a>>, TCLUG List<br>
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You call them and ask for the economy tier, it should be on the rate card<br>
you get every year (usually alongside the 'weve increased your prices mail')<br>
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The website is worthless, they don't advertise half the options there.<br>
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Curtis Griesel <<a href="mailto:cwgriesel@gmail.com">cwgriesel@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
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> Do you know about some secret plan that is not advertised somewhere?<br>
><br>
> Go to <a href="http://www.comcast.com" target="_blank">www.comcast.com</a>, click on Shop / High-speed internet, type in 8601<br>
> Thomas Ave S, 55431, which is my block in Bloomington, and you will see that<br>
> the cheapest package is $45 per month, but that requires a $15 per month<br>
> cable TV subscription. If you try to order it without cable service they<br>
> charge you $60 per month. I know, because that is what I pay. I don't<br>
> watch TV so the cable TV is irrelevant for me -- I have to pay $60 per month<br>
> for marginal broadband service. And I have to struggle to keep it at $60<br>
> per month because everytime I call Comcast, even for a minor question, they<br>
> try to upsell me to a more expensive package.<br>
><br>
> If there is some secret promotional code get broadband for $25 per month on<br>
> my block, please let me know. For now, I'm under the thumb of the<br>
> Comcast/Bloomington City broadband monopoly.<br>
><br>
> Curits<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Residential service is available for less than $60 a month without video,<br>
>> there is a 1mbps/384k tier available. I believe its ~$25/mo.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Curtis Griesel <<a href="mailto:cwgriesel@gmail.com">cwgriesel@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> We can't get DSL in my area of Bloomington because the phone<br>
>>> infrastructure is too old. Comcast has a monopoly on broadband service, and<br>
>>> residential service starts at $60 per month. Of course this is not all<br>
>>> Comcast's fault, the city council could take a little leadership on<br>
>>> broadband access for Bloomington. But I suspect the city is in cahoots with<br>
>>> Comcast because they get their community-access cable services and<br>
>>> infrastructure from Comcast. I wonder what other benefits the council gets<br>
>>> from Comcast that they make us continue to pay Comcast $60 per month for<br>
>>> their marginal internet services, but that's the state of affairs right now.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:50:45 -0600<br>
From: Curtis Griesel <<a href="mailto:cwgriesel@gmail.com">cwgriesel@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] comcast strikes another<br>
To: Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>><br>
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Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it. Ya know, they don't even offer and<br>
"economy tier" when you call to ask for service -- maybe you have to ask for<br>
it explicitly. And if they only put in on the rate card, how is a new<br>
subscriber supposed to know it exists? You don't get a rate card until<br>
after you subscribe. Obviously they are trying to hide it.<br>
<br>
I'll look into it and let you know what I find out.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>> wrote:<br>
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> You call them and ask for the economy tier, it should be on the rate card<br>
> you get every year (usually alongside the 'weve increased your prices mail')<br>
><br>
> The website is worthless, they don't advertise half the options there.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Curtis Griesel <<a href="mailto:cwgriesel@gmail.com">cwgriesel@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Do you know about some secret plan that is not advertised somewhere?<br>
>><br>
>> Go to <a href="http://www.comcast.com" target="_blank">www.comcast.com</a>, click on Shop / High-speed internet, type in 8601<br>
>> Thomas Ave S, 55431, which is my block in Bloomington, and you will see that<br>
>> the cheapest package is $45 per month, but that requires a $15 per month<br>
>> cable TV subscription. If you try to order it without cable service they<br>
>> charge you $60 per month. I know, because that is what I pay. I don't<br>
>> watch TV so the cable TV is irrelevant for me -- I have to pay $60 per month<br>
>> for marginal broadband service. And I have to struggle to keep it at $60<br>
>> per month because everytime I call Comcast, even for a minor question, they<br>
>> try to upsell me to a more expensive package.<br>
>><br>
>> If there is some secret promotional code get broadband for $25 per month<br>
>> on my block, please let me know. For now, I'm under the thumb of the<br>
>> Comcast/Bloomington City broadband monopoly.<br>
>><br>
>> Curits<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Residential service is available for less than $60 a month without video,<br>
>>> there is a 1mbps/384k tier available. I believe its ~$25/mo.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Curtis Griesel <<a href="mailto:cwgriesel@gmail.com">cwgriesel@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> We can't get DSL in my area of Bloomington because the phone<br>
>>>> infrastructure is too old. Comcast has a monopoly on broadband service, and<br>
>>>> residential service starts at $60 per month. Of course this is not all<br>
>>>> Comcast's fault, the city council could take a little leadership on<br>
>>>> broadband access for Bloomington. But I suspect the city is in cahoots with<br>
>>>> Comcast because they get their community-access cable services and<br>
>>>> infrastructure from Comcast. I wonder what other benefits the council gets<br>
>>>> from Comcast that they make us continue to pay Comcast $60 per month for<br>
>>>> their marginal internet services, but that's the state of affairs right now.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
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> Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:scott@dier.name">scott@dier.name</a>><br>
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