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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Maybe our friends at the “U”
could start a sub-group called “GNU for U”. </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(I’m feeling awfully goofy today.)</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jordan Peacock<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 09, 2008
12:39 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> p.daniels<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> tclug-list@mn-linux.org;
Smith, Craig A<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [tclug-list] Name
Change Vote</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm sorry, but that is
incredibly vitriolic, Pete. That may have been the intention of those who began
casting votes, but as has been mentioned: it's been a relatively easy way to
match votes to real people, and all people to add in any other options they
feel where not included on the original 'ballot'.<br>
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And again, why voting is far from 'closed', it's pretty clear which way the
deck is stacked. Nothing is stopping the (at present) 4 people who prefer a
different title from presenting themselves as such to Stallman, and
'redirecting' the title to the rest of the group at large. But generally it
appears that either a) the majority are not keen on change or, more probably,
b) they just don't care about the argument at large and want an end to it. I
know I do.<br>
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I don't mind pulling out all the votes from the various email conversations and
putting together a Google doc that you all can view. Sounds like the meet date
is the 21st, so voting should close no later than the 21st. I'll just track
that and put it together, and update it periodically. But an 'alias' of the
group may be the best option, for those who feel the need for a different
moniker, rather than a global change.<br clear=all>
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======================<br>
Jordan Peacock<br>
<a href="mailto:hewhocutsdown@gmail.com">hewhocutsdown@gmail.com</a><br>
<a href="http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com">hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com</a><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:56 AM, p.daniels <<a
href="mailto:teeahr1@gmail.com">teeahr1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Thursday October 9 2008 11:37:16 Eric F Crist
wrote:</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Smith, Craig A
wrote:</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> > Mike wrote:</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> >> ... compare the first category against
the second two</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> >> ... [this] isn't a three-way contest...</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> ></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> > I agree. I want to vote for CHANGE.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Then leave. It's been fairly obvious that the
majority of those who</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> voted don't want change. If you don't like the
group, as has been</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> mentioned, you're welcome to start your own.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Not trying to be hostile, just saying.</span></font></p>
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<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>For crying out loud. You get your way and bully people
into starting the vote when it was totally obvious that no one was ready to do
that yet, and yet still you're not happy! You have to do the electronic
equivalent of bullying people outside the polls! You know, in real votes in
civilized countries, that's illegal. Because it's a douchebag thing to do. If
it's so bloody obvious that "the majority... doesn't want change,"
then shut up and let people vote.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>It is unbelievable how this debate has brought out the
absolute worst in so many people in this group. Grow the hell up.</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-pete, and when I've got to be civility cop, you know
something's really wrong here</span></font></p>
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