I have used VMware only, but I can say it is a great program. VMware has a series of online seminars, though I am not sure if they are still doing them. I would recommend trying it, they allow you to try it before you buy it... <br>
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1. Re: Recommendation for Virtualization? (David Alanis)<br>
2. Re: Recommendation for Virtualization? (Erik Anderson)<br>
3. Re: Recommendation for Virtualization? (Erik Anderson)<br>
4. Re: [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict?? (Bruce Broecker)<br>
5. Re: Recommendation for Virtualization? (Erik Anderson)<br>
6. New TCLUG Classified Ad (TCLUG Classifieds)<br>
7. help (Robert Clements)<br>
8. Sendmail configuration (Deepan)<br>
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:00:32 -0500<br>
From: David Alanis <<a href="mailto:canito@dalan.us">canito@dalan.us</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?<br>
To: Andrew Zbikowski <<a href="mailto:andyzib@gmail.com">andyzib@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20080319120032.0h24chi9co04s8g0@mail.dalan.us">20080319120032.0h24chi9co04s8g0@mail.dalan.us</a>><br>
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Quoting Andrew Zbikowski <<a href="mailto:andyzib@gmail.com">andyzib@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<br>
> Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware. More accurately, legally<br>
> Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware, but in the context of the<br>
> TCLUG list, the first statement is valid.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | <a href="http://andy.zibnet.us" target="_blank">http://andy.zibnet.us</a><br>
> IT Outhouse Blog Thing | <a href="http://www.itouthouse.com" target="_blank">http://www.itouthouse.com</a><br>
><br>
<br>
What would be the constraint from asking such a legitimate question on<br>
a mailing list?<br>
<br>
Would running such search from the privacy of my home implicate me in any way?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+run+MAC+OS+X+virtualbox+xen" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+run+MAC+OS+X+virtualbox+xen</a><br>
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It doesn't really matter, I will refine my question:<br>
<br>
Would anyone like to share their experience which of the three<br>
applications (Virtualbox, xen, VMWare) renders the most options,<br>
optimization, user friendlyness, and performance?<br>
<br>
Hardware: HP DV9347cl<br>
OS: Gentoo<br>
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Thank you in advance,<br>
David<br>
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:16:49 -0500<br>
From: "Erik Anderson" <<a href="mailto:erikerik@gmail.com">erikerik@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
Message-ID:<br>
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00 PM, David Alanis <<a href="mailto:canito@dalan.us">canito@dalan.us</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Would anyone like to share their experience which of the three<br>
> applications (Virtualbox, xen, VMWare) renders the most options,<br>
> optimization, user friendlyness, and performance?<br>
<br>
At work, I was called upon to set up a linux VPS system for our<br>
developers to use. I ended up using UML (user mode linux) for the<br>
virtualization. With UML, you're limited to only using linux guests<br>
(as it requires a guest kernel patch), but that wasn't a problem in my<br>
case. Thus far, I've been *very* happy with both the performance and<br>
stability of the UML system. I currently have eight guest instances<br>
running, ranging from 512MB->2048MB RAM and from 10G->200G disk. Each<br>
of these servers has between 1 and 5 developers pounding on it at a<br>
time, and I have yet to hear any complaints on performance.<br>
<br>
The host OS is Gentoo, linux-2.6.20 (with the skas3 patch), running on<br>
a Dell PowerEdge 2970 (Dual AMD Opteron 2212s, 8GB RAM).<br>
<br>
At this point, I've just been using an ubuntu image for the guests,<br>
with linux-2.6.23.14 guest kernels.<br>
<br>
-Erik<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:29:15 -0500<br>
From: "Erik Anderson" <<a href="mailto:erikerik@gmail.com">erikerik@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
Message-ID:<br>
<<a href="mailto:fc40260f0803191029o165d3e7i485506a97f362bcc@mail.gmail.com">fc40260f0803191029o165d3e7i485506a97f362bcc@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Erik Anderson <<a href="mailto:erikerik@gmail.com">erikerik@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> At work, I was called upon to set up a linux VPS system for our<br>
> developers to use. I ended up using UML (user mode linux) for the<br>
> virtualization. With UML, you're limited to only using linux guests<br>
> (as it requires a guest kernel patch), but that wasn't a problem in my<br>
> case. Thus far, I've been *very* happy with both the performance and<br>
> stability of the UML system. I currently have eight guest instances<br>
> running, ranging from 512MB->2048MB RAM and from 10G->200G disk. Each<br>
> of these servers has between 1 and 5 developers pounding on it at a<br>
> time, and I have yet to hear any complaints on performance.<br>
><br>
> The host OS is Gentoo, linux-2.6.20 (with the skas3 patch), running on<br>
> a Dell PowerEdge 2970 (Dual AMD Opteron 2212s, 8GB RAM).<br>
><br>
> At this point, I've just been using an ubuntu image for the guests,<br>
> with linux-2.6.23.14 guest kernels.<br>
<br>
I should add - getting UML set up was pretty easy, but it's by no<br>
means a point-and-click deal like VMWare and/or Virtualbox. As long<br>
as you're somewhat comfortable with the commandline and familiar with<br>
linux networking, it should be no problem. I gave Xen a try before<br>
settling on UML, and found UML a lot more simple to get going.<br>
<br>
-erik<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Erik Anderson<br>
<a href="http://andersonfam.org" target="_blank">http://andersonfam.org</a><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:30:02 -0500<br>
From: "Bruce Broecker" <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Broecker@toro.com">Bruce.Broecker@toro.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??<br>
To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <<a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a>><br>
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>From: <a href="mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org">tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org">tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org</a>] On Behalf Of Emon<br>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:12 AM<br>
>To: TCLUG Mailing List<br>
>Subject: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??<br>
<br>
>Hello everyone<br>
<br>
>I am trying to compile StarDict on my openSUSE10.3 (KDE desktop)<br>
machine<br>
>after failing to find a SUSE rpm for it.<br>
<br>
According to <a href="http://rpm.pbone.net" target="_blank">http://rpm.pbone.net</a> there are stardict rpms in the base<br>
OpenSuSE distribution.<br>
<br>
See<br>
<a href="http://ftp.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss/suse/" target="_blank">ftp.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss/suse/</a><arch>/stardict-2.4.8-3<br>
5.<arch>.rpm<br>
<br>
Where <arch> is your architecture, either i586 or x86_64<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:43:29 -0500<br>
From: "Erik Anderson" <<a href="mailto:erikerik@gmail.com">erikerik@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?<br>
To: "David Alanis" <<a href="mailto:canito@dalan.us">canito@dalan.us</a>>, "TCLUG List"<br>
<<a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a>><br>
Message-ID:<br>
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM, David Alanis <<a href="mailto:canito@dalan.us">canito@dalan.us</a>> wrote:<br>
> Thank you Erik!<br>
<br>
You're welcome. If you choose to go with UML, feel free to send along<br>
any questions you have along the way. There's a fairly active uml<br>
mailing list and irc channel available to you as well.<br>
<br>
-erik<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:20:13 -0500<br>
From: TCLUG Classifieds <<a href="mailto:webmaster@mn-linux.org">webmaster@mn-linux.org</a>><br>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:200803191820.m2JIKDr06489@crusader.real-time.com">200803191820.m2JIKDr06489@crusader.real-time.com</a>><br>
<br>
New TCLUG Classified Ad<br>
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Category: Computer<br>
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Type of Ad: For Free<br>
<br>
Subject: Sony Vaio PC<br>
<br>
Sony Vaio PC mini tower PC for free.<br>
model PCV-RX260DS<br>
I think this is a PIII 800 Mhz<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:51:08 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Robert Clements <<a href="mailto:rlbnd@yahoo.com">rlbnd@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: [tclug-list] help<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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I have NT servers and a linux domain controller running samba and ldap. My administrator samba password expire and I tried to change it in the windows prompt. It took but now I can not change the password with smbtools. I can change the unix password just fine.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance for any help.<br>
<br>
<br>
Rob<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:38:07 +0530<br>
From: Deepan <<a href="mailto:codeshepherd@gmail.com">codeshepherd@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [tclug-list] Sendmail configuration<br>
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found', since mails from my server are sent as<br>
<a href="mailto:email@localhost.localdomain">email@localhost.localdomain</a>. How do I change this<br>
to a valid domain name ? We only own a public IP.<br>
we dont really have a domain name, is it possible<br>
to use IP ?<br>
Regards<br>
Deepan<br>
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:50:33 -0500 (CDT)<br>
From: <a href="mailto:admin@lctn.org">admin@lctn.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] help<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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I have NT servers and a linux domain controller running samba and ldap. My administrator samba password expire and I tried to change it in the windows prompt. It took but now I can not change the password with smbtools. I can change the unix password just fine.<br>
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smbpasswd?<br>
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:32:08 -0600<br>
From: <a href="mailto:marc@e-skinner.net">marc@e-skinner.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tclug-list@mn-linux.org">tclug-list@mn-linux.org</a><br>
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I have been using XEN on Red Hat, CentOS and Fedora. KVM is also very<br>
interesting as it is the new bleeding edge hypervisor in Fedora. The<br>
new virtmanager in RH and CenOS 5.1 is very nice and lets you point'n<br>
click your way through intallations. Command line is always there.<br>
KVM is now also available in Fedora as an option and looks to be the<br>
hypervisor of the future.<br>
<br>
I have seen a "hacked" version of OS X running in XEN - and yes, it is<br>
a NO-NO!<br>
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Quoting David Alanis <<a href="mailto:canito@dalan.us">canito@dalan.us</a>>:<br>
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> Good Day:<br>
><br>
> I am running Gentoo on a HP DV9347cl series laptop and I would like to<br>
> run a few guest operating systems on top of Gentoo. I do not have much<br>
> experience and am seeking some advice.<br>
><br>
> Currently using Virtualbox 1.5.4, I got Vista Business running without<br>
> any problems and it runs pretty smooth. However, Windows is not my<br>
> concern. I have an upcoming class based on MAC OS X and I would like<br>
> to attempt to take this class running a virtual machine, for<br>
> educational purposes!<br>
><br>
> I gave Vista a significant amount of space (10G's) and 1G of memory.<br>
> My first question, is it necessary to give that much memory to a guest<br>
> OS (being that I will not be using it for complex movie editing)?<br>
><br>
> I suppose my most significant question is which application works best<br>
> here, is it Virtualbox, xen, or VMWare? Now here is the catch, when I<br>
> tried running the OS X install it suddenly crashes and honestly I have<br>
> not had much time to look into this, assuming it can(t) be done? Is<br>
> anyone running OS X inside a virtual app? What was the hardest<br>
> challenge in doing so?<br>
><br>
> I hope someone can provide some input.<br>
><br>
> thanks in advanced!<br>
> David<br>
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