Thanks Erik, for some moderation. Personally, despite his Bible thumping, I thought Brian's post's link was one of the most interesting I've seen from this group in the decade or so I've tried to participate. His reference to the infrared properties of water actually reminded me of how "dynamic addressing" occurs in protein biophysical chemistry. That was before the internet over fiber optics that so many think they've mastered. It was about 1980, and people were open to ideas and open to thinking outside the box. The first time I got frustrated with this group was when I was trying to program StarOffice5.2 and the user interface got totally fragmented into OpenOffice. I never did find anybody trying to program the Linux office suite over a decade ago. I don't think we have a problem with the very rare Bible thumper message. I think we have a problem with a club, and a little bullying. Censorship, building a box, for the greater public good is not good linux news. Erik Mitchell wrote: > It's not really doing much harm, in my opinion, and to the extent that > it is, I think a person who is a moderator could email someone > off-list and ask them to stop, and if they don't, then ban them from > the list, or take away privileges, or whatever. > > I'd prefer to err on the side of inclusion. This isn't an IEEE mailing > list, it's a LUG mailing list. A small one at that, for a group that > hardly ever meets, and when it does, it meets for beer. I'm actually > less annoyed by trolling than I am at seeing experienced interneters > feeding the trolls*, and then getting mad that their inbox is being > flooded with nonsense. > > Perhaps enough of us care that we should reassign responsibilities to > people who might be interested in more active leadership? Should we > have a new group of moderators? Should we elect a new > president/supreme ruler? > > -Erik > > * I may be guilty of this > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Jeff Chapin<chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote: >> I think I am on the same page as Erik here, sadly. I've enjoyed lurking on >> this list, and have seen some pretty interesting tips and tricks, but I do >> have to say there is far more drama on this list, mostly related to a very >> small number of people, than other similar lists I am on. >> >> I could see someone innocently slipping in comments like "and that reminds >> me to:."lift up my eyes to the >> mountains" Psalms 121" even though it adds nothing of value to the >> conversations -- but when it comes right after the "No-Nines" email thread >> where they were repeatedly asked to leave religion off the list -- it feels >> like we have a troll on our hands... It may have been innocent -- but it >> really feels like he is testing the waters just to see how far he can push. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Erik Anderson<erikerik at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> So who has moderation privileges on tclug-list anyway and why do we never >>> hear from them? >>> >>> With the recent shenanigans by Misters Wood and G, it would be nice to >>> hear from the moderation staff (if indeed anyone is manning the wheelhouse) >>> on whether or not this type of behavior is appropriate and will be >>> tolerated. It would be one thing if Brian would publicly recognize his >>> inappropriate behavior and state that he'll work on staying on topic. That's >>> just not the case - he posts something blatantly inappropriate, gets called >>> to the carpet by list members, goes silent for a few weeks or a month and >>> the cycle continues. >>> >>> As much as I want to stay somewhat connected with local linux folks, it's >>> not worth my time or mental energy to give voice to these guys. If blatant >>> name-calling and religio-political rhetoric are to be allowed, then I'm >>> afraid I'll be unsubscribing. If not, then great - put these two on >>> moderation so the rest of us can get on with our normal discussions. >>> >>> I'm a firm believer that *any* community, whether virtual or physical, >>> whether it's an email list, discussion forum, or Stack Exchange-type site, >>> **requires** fairly strict adherence to the topic at hand, and zero >>> tolerance for disrespectful behavior. If these are allowed, people that >>> really do want to be involved just get driven away. >>> >>> Happy Sunday evening, all! >>> -Erik >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Chapin >> President, CedarLug, retired >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >> President, UNI Scuba Club >> Senator, NISG, retired >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > >