The <tip> is how a list subscriber "pays" for making an off-topic post to the list (see List Info for more information). Samir M. Nassar -- RedConcepts.NET -- Open Solutions Design Syndicate Open Source, Public Service -- the Art and Craft of Webdesign http://redconcepts.net -- http://os-ds.com 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds'