On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Should we reserve respect only for who we agree with? > What do we loose if we deny (even big companies) due process? > What does respect have to do with it? If someone is wrong, they are wrong. It's not like I am suggesting taking their little red wagon away because they are wrong, I am suggesting exercising our rights to do what we want to with our stuff. Because that is what it is. It is our stuff. We paid for it, we have it in our bookshelves, entertainment centers, or wherever, and they want to tell us what we can do with it. That is wrong. I'm not going to run around selling other people's products and I get quite offended when they want my freedom as part of the price of their product. It isn't really about the copying, it is about greed and power. They want all the money and all the power. Excuse me if I'm less than inclined to just hand it over. Greed is bad. There's a reason it plays a major part in most of the Seven Deadly Sins. Pandering to greed is therefore also bad. > > Sam. > > random at argle.org wrote: > >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >>> I'm going to get flamed for this! >>> >>> If the copy write says they should not reverse engineer the game or >>> change it in any way, explain to me why the company in question should >>> not stand up for their rights? >> >> >> Because Copyright doesn't say that. It isn't one of their rights. >> Copyright is exactly what it says: Copy Right, the right to make and >> distribute >> copies of a written or recorded work. Specifically granted in the US >> Constitution for >> the promotion of the advancement of Arts and Sciences. NOT to protect >> "Artistic Integrity" or long term profits, but to encourage the >> creation of new works. >> >> >>> The idea that "this is just a game" isn't acceptable when the product >>> is not open source. From what I've read this is a closed source program >>> not an open source program. What we need to recognize is, in the United >>> States everyone has a right to due process. If we agree or not with >>> what someone does, they have a right to due process. >>> >> Yes, everyone has a right to due process. It is the big corporations that >> are trying to deny that right to everyone else. Due process is bad for >> profits, yaknow. >> >>> Even SCO has the right, but they must produce evidence that I don't >>> think they have and it looks like a judge is saying the same thing. >>> Remember SCO gets lots of money from M$. >>> >> Yep, and if any Linux developer discovered a copyright violation a patch >> to remedy the situation would accompany the announcement of the >> discovery. >> >>> Doom, Quake, Call of Duty, and others have many mods for the original >>> games, but the people who make the games said making the mods is cool. >>> >> But they didn't have to. Mods predated Doom, and are perfectly legal as >> long >> as they are distributed as diffs against the original work. >> >>> Yes contribute to EFF, yes stand up for what we believe in, but we must >>> let others do the same no mater what we think. >>> >> We must also call people on it when they are trying to claim "rights" >> that they >> do not have. Don't let people take advantage of you just because they >> have Italian suits and talk pretty legalese. >> >> > > > > -- Daniel Taylor random at argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever.