If I was AT&T and I really want to create a problem for Vonage users, I wouldn't NAT the packets. Its too noticeable. I would set up some sort of linux bridge and randomly discard or hold (queue) UDP packets for random intervals, so each side gets a garbled mess of out of order RTP-UDP packets. This would create a lot of echo, delay and swirlies in the phone. It would make you think that is not AT&T's direct fault, but maybe it could be Vonage's. You could probably do that with all of the unwanted ports and protocols. (Basically everything but HTTP, Email, and Instant Messaging) Hey, maybe I should build it and sell the service to AT&T. Just Kidding! BN wrote: > It would be nice to get our own private network up. > Wireless would be the only way to go, i sure as hell don't wanna be > digging trenches... > Austad, Jay wrote: > >> The thing that sucks is that I'm stuck with ATT Broadband. I'm too >> far from >> the CO to get DSL, and I'd have to buy a very tall mast to get SB >> Wireless's >> 802.11 link, plus the horrendous setup fee. >> >> I could get a T1, but the just the loop fee will run me $440 a month, >> plus >> another $600 minimum for the access fee. >> ATT broadband sucks bigtime, but they don't NAT my traffic anymore. >> Vonage >> complained to them, and it seems they've fixed it, at least for now. It >> appears that they were only NAT'ing traffic destined for Vonage's >> network. >> I generated some fake SIP traffic and sent it to another box out on >> the net, >> and it came through with no modification. I wish ATT would get off >> their >> asses and start offering some kind of business plan that would allow >> users >> to have static ip's and run servers. Time Warner has a few plans, but I >> can't get them here. >> Even if I could get DSL here, I don't know if I would since I would be >> giving money to Qwest, and they suck worse than ATT. >> >> Jay >> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kelly Black [mailto:kelly.black at penguinpackets.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:24 AM >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATT is modifying some of my traffic >>> Importance: High >>> >>> >>> On Saturday 13 July 2002 01:17, Munir Nassar wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Local ISP don't mind if you do this :-) >>>>> >>>> >>>> is this our regularly sceduled Real-Time plug? ;-) >>>> >>>> -munir >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Valid point though. >>> >>> Kelly Black >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>> Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >