Any Linux training and prep in town, as for RHCE? FYI, I'm funded to get some dislocated worker training, and aiming at RHCE (because it's paid and not a useless paper. Anything local that's "OK" as long as someone else is paying? I have lots of scattered unix experience, but am not a daily sys admin type... Max immersion for the next few weeks/months is my goal. Have the Sybex RHCE book and some O'Reilly stuff, so self-study may be best. (oh.. sorry about the OuchLook: the modem in my 7.2 box is still sick) --- Chuck Cole Trivia: the phrase "rule of thumb" is derived from an old English law which stated that you couldn't beat your wife with anything wider than your thumb.