>>>>> "pm" == phil <phil at rephil.org> writes: >> Isn't this sort of stuff against the red and yellow book CD >> standards? pm> Who can say, since they don't say how it works. In fact, they say pm> they won't say, which just leaves one to wonder if it does yet. I recall very few details of one of the implementations, but it was described in detail on Slashdot approx. 1 month ago. That scheme was putting intentional errors into one (?) of the CRCs. Reading the straight digital gave the drive fits because the CRCs didn't match the data. Most/many/debatable? numbers of analog-only players go through recovery techniques, thinking the error was a scratch or smudge. >> Yes, it takes longer, yes, the sound quality is diminished, but if >> you're ripping to MP3, you're losing a lot anyway so what's the >> difference if it comes from an analog source? Anyone with more >> audio expertise care to comment? Er, ripping at 4x speed isn't possible. That inconvenience seems to be what The Industry wants? {shrug} Many comments in the same Slashdot article said that "cdparanoia", with its jitter- and error-correction techniques, has no problem creating click-and-pop-free WAV files from these wacko discs: it just can't do it at full drive speed. Is the average speed faster than 1x? I dunno, I don't have any such wacko discs to try.... -Scott --- Scott Lystig Fritchie Professional Governing: Is It Faked?