In part, Bob Tanner wrote: > > What does he tell me? The message all have forged headers. Oh, boy. Like I > cannot read an SMTP header to see that it's -not- forged. Damn! I just want to > black-hole all of hotmail.com. > So what's stopping you? Oh yeah... your customers, some of whom have secondary hotmail accounts or correspond with people who do. Unlike smail mail, where the person sending the mail is free to determine what class of delivery each piece should get, E-mail basically doesn't have any class structure... or at least, one that works ("Precedence:" headers clearly don't work as intended). Snail mail requires the sender to pay for the delivery. E-mail does not. If anything, the recipient of E-mail is the one having to pay, if only for storage before deletion and the time consuming act of deletion itself. In the end, until some sort of cost structure borne by the sender is introduced for E-mail -- and I'm not necessarily talking just money here, E-mail systems will remain fertile ground for any number of spammers. So, instead of just dumping E-mail from hotmail.com into the bit bucket, why not change the paradigm a tad? 1- Identify a list of E-mail hosts sending you spam. 2- Refuse to accept delivery for every E-mail from your list of "bad hosts" for 24-48 hours (i.e.: the sender's /var/log/mailog will fill up with messages like "stat=Deferred: Connection refused by <yourhost>", while at the same time, their outgoing mail spool files fill up, too ;-). Once you accept the E-mail for delivery, run it through a filter that tags it with a header line like: X-spam-proofer: Delivered by <localhost> as second class E-mail Note that _all_ E-mail ends up being delivered... However some E-mail gets delivered faster than others. And gosh, who knows? In order to save disk space, some spammers might even cleanse their outgoing spool files occasionally for messages that can't be delivered quickly... thereby preventing that spam from ever hitting your site. On the customer education side, explain what the "X-spam-proofer:" header line means, and let your customers decide rather or not to dump any give E-mail. Heck, you could probably generate some extra revenue by making this whole thing a fee-based optional service.