Quoting George Swan (g-swan at maroon.tc.umn.edu): > >I have spent the last 2 days, 1 day each playing with Forte and JBuilder. > >I'll write up my findings in another email. > YES! Once again, I'll say it (I think I mentioned it quite awhile ago): > for someone like myself who would want to use Forte to learn java, this is > infuriating. Ahhh, IDEs make you stupid too :-) You don't learn how to do many things like makefiles/build.xml files. But I guess to can look at it as they save you TIME because you don't have learn those things too. I'm leaning towards JBuilder just because Enhydra has a plugin called Kelp and it make developing Enhydra applications easier within an IDE. I'm pretty disappointed at the extendability of the IDEs. I have not been able to find out how to do external commands. For instances, with a makefile you can do this: tags:: etags `find . -name "*.java"` I have not been able to find a why to do this simple little thing (or things like it) in any of the IDEs. -- Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9