From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 7 05:04:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Java and DOM expertise Message-ID: <20011107050400.O31279@real-time.com> I'm looking for someone with experience using Java to manipulate DOM trees. I'm willing to pay for a couple hours of consulting to help me get my mind around the problem I am facing. I'm using Lutris Enhydra, xmlc and Xerces. I'm working whacked hours, so email is the best way to contact me. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dmblevins at mediaone.net Wed Nov 7 07:43:51 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Java and DOM expertise In-Reply-To: <20011107050400.O31279@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob, I'll give you a hand. Put your money away though, you can take me out to lunch sometime instead ;) David Blevins --- OpenEJB - EJB Container System www.openejb.org ftp.exolab.org/pub/openejb/ > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-devel-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-devel-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:04 AM > To: tclug-devel@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Java and DOM expertise > > > I'm looking for someone with experience using Java to manipulate > DOM trees. I'm > willing to pay for a couple hours of consulting to help me get my > mind around > the problem I am facing. > > I'm using Lutris Enhydra, xmlc and Xerces. > > I'm working whacked hours, so email is the best way to contact me. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-devel mailing list > tclug-devel@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel From skodak at cs.umn.edu Thu Nov 15 09:29:41 2001 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Red Hat Linux 7.2 and Win 2000- Dual Boot system Message-ID: Hello, I am having problems when I try to make a dual boot system with Win2k and linux. I would like to know correct method to partition the disk, and the sequence of steps to install the operating systems. I would also like to know the tools which is used to partition the Hard disk. Thanks for the help in advance. Thanks Sreekumar From JERRY_GREGORY at udlp.com Thu Nov 15 10:56:06 2001 From: JERRY_GREGORY at udlp.com (JERRY_GREGORY@udlp.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Red Hat Linux 7.2 and Win 2000- Dual Boot s Message-ID: <0095AFC1.C21254@udlp.com> Generally speaking, the preferred method is to install the other OS first (in this case Win2k) and then install Linux. If you are using a single hard disk, you will need to partition it before you load any OS. DOS fdisk works. Check the net for your favorite partitioning software. Partition magic may be of interest to you if you don't want to reinstall win2k. Be sure to allow 3GB or more for Linux. 1. Create boot partition (20 MB). This allows the boot loader to be located withing the first 1024 cylinders of hard disk. Very important. 2. Create other OS partition (??? GB). 3. Create partition for Linux (3GB +). Don't worry about the format for this partition yet. 4. Reboot, then install 1st OS. 5. Reboot, install Linux. When it comes to the disk partitioning part, you'll need to delete the partition you created for linux in step 3 above, then add the linux partitions and swap space as desired. Otherwise, get yourself another hard disk. Attach your new hard disk to the primary IDE interface as the slave disk. (This translates to /dev/hdb). Install linux on your new hard disk. That should get you going. Jerry G. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Red Hat Linux 7.2 and Win 2000- Dual Boot syst Author: Sreekumar Kodakara Date: 11/15/2001 9:29 AM Hello, I am having problems when I try to make a dual boot system with Win2k and linux. I would like to know correct method to partition the disk, and the sequence of steps to install the operating systems. I would also like to know the tools which is used to partition the Hard disk. Thanks for the help in advance. Thanks Sreekumar From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Nov 15 11:34:07 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Red Hat Linux 7.2 and Win 2000- Dual Bootsystem Message-ID: This is less of development question and more of a general question, so you might get more & better answers from the general TCLUG list. I'd do the w2k stuff first, and partition each with their native setup tools (just make sure you leave enough free space on the disk for Linux ext2 (or ext3) partition(s) and swap). You can probably get w2k to load Linux, but it is probably more of a pain than it is worth (their bootloader is designed to boot MS OSes). Both GRUB and LILO can handle that job (I have only used LILO, but I hear good things about GRUB). I don't know of the tools w2k uses for partitioning (I have used their setup program and their clicky GUI thing), but Red Hat Linux has used 'fdisk', 'Disk Druid', and I think their own GUI tools (?). Good luck! >>> Sreekumar Kodakara 11/15/01 09:29AM >>> Hello, I am having problems when I try to make a dual boot system with Win2k and linux. I would like to know correct method to partition the disk, and the sequence of steps to install the operating systems. I would also like to know the tools which is used to partition the Hard disk. Thanks for the help in advance. Thanks Sreekumar _______________________________________________ tclug-devel mailing list tclug-devel@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Nov 16 08:07:36 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Red Hat Linux 7.2 and Win 2000- Dual Bootsystem Message-ID: > You can probably get w2k to load Linux, but it is probably more > of a pain than it is worth (their bootloader is designed to boot MS > OSes). Both GRUB and LILO can handle that job (I have only > used LILO, but I hear good things about GRUB). I use the NT Boot loader to load Win98, WinXP, and Red Hat 7.2. For this to work, when installing Red Hat, you must specify your root partition as the boot device and leave the Master Boot Record alone. Look here for help on this kind of setup: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From jlarmour at sdrc.com Fri Nov 16 10:03:00 2001 From: jlarmour at sdrc.com (John Larmour) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Red Hat Linux 7.2 and Win 2000- Dual Bootsystem References: Message-ID: <3BF538B4.C6C8A169@metaphasetech.com> WARNING: win2k boot loader may be different than NT boot loader. I have set up several systems to dual boot using NT's loader, and have NOT been able to do the same with early releases of win2k. "Hvidsten, Leif" wrote: > > You can probably get w2k to load Linux, but it is probably more > > of a pain than it is worth (their bootloader is designed to boot MS > > OSes). Both GRUB and LILO can handle that job (I have only > > used LILO, but I hear good things about GRUB). > > I use the NT Boot loader to load Win98, WinXP, and Red Hat 7.2. For this to work, when installing Red Hat, you must specify your root partition as the boot device and leave the Master Boot Record alone. > > Look here for help on this kind of setup: > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-devel mailing list > tclug-devel@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Nov 16 10:52:28 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Red Hat Linux 7.2 and Win 2000- Dual Bootsystem Message-ID: It should work fine with Win2K. Like I said before, I got it to work with WinXP, Win98, and Red Hat 7.2 following the HOW-TO I referenced before. If it works with XP's boot loader and with NT 4's boot loader, I can't see why it wouldn't work with W2K. They all use ntldr, ntdetect.com, and boot.ini. -----Original Message----- From: John Larmour Cc: tclug-devel@mn-linux.org Sent: 11/16/01 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Red Hat Linux 7.2 and Win 2000- Dual Bootsystem WARNING: win2k boot loader may be different than NT boot loader. I have set up several systems to dual boot using NT's loader, and have NOT been able to do the same with early releases of win2k. "Hvidsten, Leif" wrote: > > You can probably get w2k to load Linux, but it is probably more > > of a pain than it is worth (their bootloader is designed to boot MS > > OSes). Both GRUB and LILO can handle that job (I have only > > used LILO, but I hear good things about GRUB). > > I use the NT Boot loader to load Win98, WinXP, and Red Hat 7.2. For this to work, when installing Red Hat, you must specify your root partition as the boot device and leave the Master Boot Record alone. > > Look here for help on this kind of setup: > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-devel mailing list > tclug-devel@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel _______________________________________________ tclug-devel mailing list tclug-devel@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From linuxman at worldwebcafe.com Fri Nov 16 13:57:51 2001 From: linuxman at worldwebcafe.com (T.J. Duchene) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Re: Windows and Linux peaceful coexistance as dualboot In-Reply-To: <200111161902.fAGJ23T10377@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200111161902.fAGJ23T10377@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200111161959.NAA05078@ns2.worldwebcafe.com> Some caveats when working with Linux on a dual boot system with Windows: Assuming multpile partitions on a sigle drive ============================================================= 1. Windows must always have the first partition on the first drive. It will refuse to operate properly if it does not. 2. If you use LILO, you had better know how to properly configure your MBR (Master Boot Record), or I can guarantee you will have problems. 3. The LILO boot records/files MUST be within the first 4-8 GB of the drive's cylinders or LILO booting WILL fail. This depends on your BIOS embedded in the motherboard. This is a design flaw in LILO, because it depends on BIOS for the IDE drive geometry during the boot staging. The BIOS, of course, is reverse compatible with previous MS products that can't handle complex IDE geometry - so the files have to to be within that limit in order to be located by LILO. 4. The safest way (minus a boot disk) is to boot a dual system is to use LOADLIN, if possible. If you put Linux on a separate drive, it is a lot easier, but most of us don't have that luxury. LILO is used most often if Linux is the only OS present, or by extremely experienced users who know the ins and outs of IDE/SCSI hard disks. I use LOADLIN because it is reliable, and doesn't react badly to changes in BIOS and IDE geometry, unlike LILO. T.J. Duchene From linuxman at worldwebcafe.com Fri Nov 16 14:39:13 2001 From: linuxman at worldwebcafe.com (T.J. Duchene) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] RedHat Annoyances In-Reply-To: <200111161902.fAGJ23T10377@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200111161902.fAGJ23T10377@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200111162041.OAA05355@ns2.worldwebcafe.com> Hi! Me again. I just thought of a couple things. There are a couple of annoyances that you should note when working with RedHat Linux as well. EGCS =============================================================== A few versions of RedHat still use the EGCS C/C++ compiler. This is BAD. Do not use EGCS, replace it with GCC 2.95.2 or GCC 2.95.3, before you compile anything, unless you enjoy pain and suffering. Don't use the GCC 3.0 series, they have a faulty STL implementation. EGCS was a experimental compiler that has been discontinued and remerged back in GCC. Dependancies on X =============================================================== A lot of RedHat software is compiled against the X software libraries, so if you are not in X and try to run certain scripts or binaries, e.g. shutdown, it may fail. At least, it did on one version of RedHat I tested, they may have corrected it since then. Other versions of Linux allow these to be run either at the command line or from X. Data density of the Hard disk =============================================================== By default, RedHat takes the highest data density (4kB), a.k.a. "block size," when creating a filesystem. This results in 1-3kB of wasted space for every file below 4 kB. RedHat isn't the only one, Debian does as well. If you have lots of logs or small files, you might want to consider formatting the drive manually to a 1kB block size. On the flipside, Windows 95, and 98 can use as large as a 32kB block -- meaning 31kB is wasted on a 1kB file. Newer versions of Windows can use NTFS, which is supposedly more efficient. Package Management ==================================================================== Unless you are in X, RedHat's package system (RPM based) can only be accessed via "rpm" on the command line. To my knowledge, there is no text based GUI for RedHat package management and automation. In other words, if you dont use X, be prepared to install packages, by hand, one by one - including dependancies solving. Laters, T.J. From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Nov 16 15:10:43 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] An old flame... (or That lilo 8GB thang) In-Reply-To: <200111161959.NAA05078@ns2.worldwebcafe.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is old news by now but lilo isn't restricted to the first 8GB anymore. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, T.J. Duchene wrote: > Some caveats when working with Linux on a dual boot system with Windows: > > Assuming multpile partitions on a sigle drive > ============================================================= > 1. Windows must always have the first partition on the first drive. It will > refuse to operate properly if it does not. > > 2. If you use LILO, you had better know how to properly configure your MBR > (Master Boot Record), or I can guarantee you will have problems. > > 3. The LILO boot records/files MUST be within the first 4-8 GB of the drive's > cylinders or LILO booting WILL fail. This depends on your BIOS embedded in > the motherboard. This is a design flaw in LILO, because it depends on BIOS > for the IDE drive geometry during the boot staging. The BIOS, of course, is > reverse compatible with previous MS products that can't handle complex IDE > geometry - so the files have to to be within that limit in order to be > located by LILO. > > 4. The safest way (minus a boot disk) is to boot a dual system is to use > LOADLIN, if possible. > > > > If you put Linux on a separate drive, it is a lot easier, but most of us > don't have that luxury. > > LILO is used most often if Linux is the only OS present, or by extremely > experienced users who know the ins and outs of IDE/SCSI hard disks. I use > LOADLIN because it is reliable, and doesn't react badly to changes in BIOS > and IDE geometry, unlike LILO. > > > T.J. Duchene > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-devel mailing list > tclug-devel@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE79YDVfexLsowstzcRAqN2AKDKerz4u9qJL+d+dMPv9oL3RGooigCfWSQr j0UgkeLFx4b0wtaffiRQYhE= =m4Qu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linuxman at worldwebcafe.com Fri Nov 16 16:23:03 2001 From: linuxman at worldwebcafe.com (T.J. Duchene) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Re: An old flame... (or That lilo 8GB thang) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200111162225.QAA06178@ns2.worldwebcafe.com> > > This is old news by now but lilo isn't restricted to the first 8GB > anymore. If you are referring to the LBA/cylinder translation, that's true - the last version I used was just a tad quirky. It left a bad taste with me. It is still safer to place the boot files within that limit last I heard. Admittedly, I haven't kept up with LILO in about a year and a half. Often I use an alpha, so no LILO is involved. My only remaining intel linux box is a dual boot using LOADLIN. Typically, I end up reinstalling Windows every 6-8 months, so it is a matter of convience. Good news for LILO fans. Thanks for the info. Laters, T.J. From linuxman at worldwebcafe.com Fri Nov 16 16:49:17 2001 From: linuxman at worldwebcafe.com (T.J. Duchene) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] LILO thang Message-ID: <200111162251.QAA06383@ns2.worldwebcafe.com> Josh, It's kinda wierd when we are BOTH right. I just double checked on LILO. The newer versions do support LBA, but only if you have EDD extensions to INT13, a.k.a BIOS. Granted, most boards will by now - but then not all BIOS are created equal either. Anyway, you were right in that that limit has been lifted, but only if your BIOS is friendly. And I was right, that LILO doesn't always work. Cool. Interesting tech tidbit for everyone who plays with boot loaders. Laters, T.J. From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 29 09:58:02 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] [OT] Java mailing list for MN Message-ID: Hi all, Hats off to the TC Linux User Group for the non-commercially driven and friendly atmosphere. The few meetings I have attended were focused on learning something and not selling something, but most importantly, enjoying good company. The TCLUG mailing list follows this feel and is very relaxed, friendly, and open. I've always wanted something similar for Java people, so I finally got motivated and started one. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tcjug This TCJUG is entirely different than the TCJUG hosted by Intertech in Edina. That group isn't community controlled, has no mailing list, _no beer meetings_, and is focused on InterTech's interests rather than the local community's interests. The new Twin Cities Java User Group will be more social and informal, with a focus on getting to know each other and exchanging info first-hand. Oh, and, of course, occasional beer meetings. It will be more or less identical to the TCLUG, but with Java as the theme instead of Linux. I remember there being a large amount of Java developers at the last TCLUG meeting I was at, I hope all of you will join and bring the TCLUG's casual, friendly atmosphere to the new TCJUG. To subscribe send an email to tcjug-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Thanks, David Blevins From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 29 18:34:18 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Forte, JBuilder on Linux Message-ID: <20011129183418.B21051@real-time.com> I have spent the last 2 days, 1 day each playing with Forte and JBuilder. I'll write up my findings in another email. But for those people using either of these tools, do you find them to have bugs up the wazoo? Maybe its just the Linux variants, but they both crash alot. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Nov 30 02:00:59 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Forte, JBuilder on Linux In-Reply-To: <20011129183418.B21051@real-time.com> Message-ID: I played around with Forte a few months ago and was not impressed at all. I stuck with Emacs augmented with JSwat. But then again, I've never been impressed with any IDE enough to switch from Emacs. VAJava has a nice debugger though... too bad the rest of it is shite. I liked JSwat enough to take the time to submit some code. It's a really nice piece of Open Source. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-devel-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-devel-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:34 PM > To: tclug-devel@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Forte, JBuilder on Linux > > > I have spent the last 2 days, 1 day each playing with Forte and > JBuilder. I'll > write up my findings in another email. > > But for those people using either of these tools, do you find > them to have bugs > up the wazoo? Maybe its just the Linux variants, but they both crash alot. > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-devel mailing list > tclug-devel@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 30 02:06:13 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] WAP emulators for Linux? Message-ID: <20011130020613.A16477@real-time.com> What are people using to simulate a WAP device under Linux? Doing some WAP stuff and I'd like to use something like a web browser on my linux box instead of waiting my online minutes with my Cell phone. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 30 15:00:25 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] WAP emulators for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20011130020613.A16477@real-time.com> References: <20011130020613.A16477@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011130150025.G23836@wookimus.net> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:06:13AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > What are people using to simulate a WAP device under Linux? > > Doing some WAP stuff and I'd like to use something like a web browser on my > linux box instead of waiting my online minutes with my Cell phone. Package: wap-wml-tools Priority: optional Section: non-free/web Installed-Size: 101 Maintainer: Fernando Sanchez Architecture: i386 Version: 0.0.4-1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), libxml1, libz1 Filename: dists/woody/non-free/binary-i386/web/wap-wml-tools_0.0.4-1.deb Size: 27998 MD5sum: eea27c8a766f1e5900e1b014b7bce123 Description: Wireless Markup Language development and test tools wml-tools is a suite of small programs designed to help in the construction of WAP WML decks. The suite currently comprises : * wmlc - a WML bytecode compiler * wmld - a WML bytecode decompiler * wmlv - a very simple text-based WML deck viewer * wbmp2xpm - a WBMP to XPM converter * wmlhtml - a simple WML deck to HTML converter * rdfwml - an RDF channel to WML deck converter . These tools require libxml and libz (which libxml requires). Additionally, you could install the PalmOS emulator, pose, then download and run a PalmOS WAP browser. Package: pose Priority: optional Section: contrib/otherosfs Installed-Size: 5040 Maintainer: Ben Darnell Architecture: i386 Version: 3.3-1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libfltk1, libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 (>= 1:2.95.4-0.010810), xlibs (>> 4.1.0) Suggests: pilot-link, pose-skins Filename: pool/contrib/p/pose/pose_3.3-1_i386.deb Size: 2081270 MD5sum: bc438721f20e7a15035e31c0cee2803e Description: PalmOS Emulator An emulator for Palm Computing organizers. Requires a ROM file, which can be transferred from a physical Palm device, or downloaded from Palm's website (if you sign a license agreement). And of course, search google for the wap browser or look at TUCOWS. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-devel/attachments/20011130/e1f3f711/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 30 15:54:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Forte, JBuilder on Linux In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011130092338.00a1ec30@g-swan.email.umn.edu>; from g-swan@maroon.tc.umn.edu on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:23:38AM -0600 References: <20011129183418.B21051@real-time.com> <3.0.5.32.20011130092338.00a1ec30@g-swan.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011130155449.C8014@real-time.com> Quoting George Swan (g-swan@maroon.tc.umn.edu): > >I have spent the last 2 days, 1 day each playing with Forte and JBuilder. > >I'll write up my findings in another email. > YES! Once again, I'll say it (I think I mentioned it quite awhile ago): > for someone like myself who would want to use Forte to learn java, this is > infuriating. Ahhh, IDEs make you stupid too :-) You don't learn how to do many things like makefiles/build.xml files. But I guess to can look at it as they save you TIME because you don't have learn those things too. I'm leaning towards JBuilder just because Enhydra has a plugin called Kelp and it make developing Enhydra applications easier within an IDE. I'm pretty disappointed at the extendability of the IDEs. I have not been able to find out how to do external commands. For instances, with a makefile you can do this: tags:: etags `find . -name "*.java"` I have not been able to find a why to do this simple little thing (or things like it) in any of the IDEs. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 30 08:06:07 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Re: WAP emulators for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20011130020613.A16477@real-time.com> References: <20011130020613.A16477@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011130080607.U30126@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011130 03:12]: > Doing some WAP stuff and I'd like to use something like a web browser on my > linux box instead of waiting my online minutes with my Cell phone. I bet POSE running Handspring Blazer wouldn't be too bad. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 30 15:52:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Re: WAP emulators for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20011130080607.U30126@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:06:07AM -0600 References: <20011130020613.A16477@real-time.com> <20011130080607.U30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011130155202.B8014@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [011130 03:12]: > > Doing some WAP stuff and I'd like to use something like a web browser on my > > linux box instead of waiting my online minutes with my Cell phone. > > I bet POSE running Handspring Blazer wouldn't be too bad. > I found deckit, it's python based and works pretty well. Cannot remember where I found it, but a google search for 'WAP emulators' is what I did to find it. http://www.pyweb.com/tools/ Ahh there it is. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9